Key posts: Floating floor over basement concrete. (Artifact Recording)

Substantial posts by Aaronw, who started the thread, and by the forum’s most active contributors. 417 of 1185 posts are listed.

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• Aaronw, 16 October 2003Edited 6/15/2007 to include quick links to each individual page: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20 , 21 , 22 , 23…
• giles117, 17 October 2003here yah go... 1 - 1/2" neoprene 2 - Durometer of 60 3 - There is a thread in this forum with a link Steve posted regarding basement insulation techniques. I'd Read that…
• knightfly, 17 October 2003Here's the basement article, I would save it to your hard drive and study it - it will take a few readings to catch all the points for your particular situation.…
• Aaronw, 20 October 2003Giles117...In response to Q#3, the only portion of the studio that will have wood studs, will be the floor. The remainder of the walls, etc, will be done w/ metal studs…
• Aaronw, 20 October 2003I would prefer to use the studs on edge. It will give me a thicker floor for isolation w/ the insulation, as well as running fewer conduits for cables. I guess my main…
• knightfly, 20 October 2003The dehumidifier is a must, and it wouldn't hurt to use that basement article to thoroughly check out the rest of your location - see if there's any drainage things that…
• rod gervais, 21 October 2003Bryan, that might cover rotting - but it does not cover the health problems (some of them deadly in fact) associated with mold issues....... and dark damp areas are…
• knightfly, 28 October 2003Aaron, got your PM - hope you understand my answering that way - On your floor situation, so far I'm getting that you've changed from 2x6 to 2x4 construction (ceiling…
• Aaronw, 29 October 2003Steve, yes I understood your PM. Thanks. :oops: The floor is going to be 2x4 studs. This was the plan all along. Sorry if I didn't notate this earlier. Double walls all…
• knightfly, 29 October 2003Maybe "compression" would be a better word - check my first post in this thread, on the first page. I described a way to check the amount of weight required for a given…
• Aaronw, 30 October 2003Steve, I attached some drawings on what I was inquiring about with the double walls. Maybe one of these 3 drawings will show what I was talking about or had questions…
• knightfly, 30 October 2003The top and bottom ones will give the best isolation, because of the increased air space. The middle one would be the most sensible to build, you could just offset the…
• Aaronw, 30 October 2003I'm using 20 guage metal studs. In some of the other research I was seeing on web sites, they were saying to use 20-22 guage studs. Plus I figured w/ all the weight of 2…
• knightfly, 31 October 2003Perimeter isolation board is the board you put around the perimeter of your floated floors to keep them from accidentally contacting the walls. It can be anything…
• Aaronw, 31 October 2003I don't think the floor will be close enough to the wall to really be concerned with this. I'm not placing anything within 2 or 4" of the block. I want the dehumdifier…

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• Aaronw, 3 November 2003I haven't figured out where exactly for the dehumidifier. I just bought one off ebay. It has the drain for attaching a hose or something to it, so I can run a drain pipe…
• Aaronw, 3 November 2003I was also just checking out this link from SAE: http://www.saecollege.de/reference_mate ... 0Chart.htm It appears that a 6" metal stud w/ insulation and 3 layers of…
• knightfly, 4 November 2003"a 6" metal stud w/ insulation and 3 layers of 1/2" and one leaf w/ RC1, has a better RTC rating than a double stud 2x4 metal stud wall w/ insulation and 2 layers of…
• Aaronw, 5 November 2003So are you saying I shouldn't use the Roxul in the walls around the control room? :? Should I be using the 703? It seems to me that most rooms I've seen built use the…
• knightfly, 5 November 2003It's not a matter of whether you use mineral wool or rigid fiberglas (703, etc) it's a matter of DENSITY. The specific Roxul you pointed to has too high a density (PCF)…
• Aaronw, 5 November 2003Well, I just called Roxul directly and asked their technical guru's on what product they make. They make it all. Now it's just getting the local guys here to custom…
• Aaronw, 6 November 2003Any particular reason on the 3" vs. 4"? I take it the theory of thicker is better doesn't apply in the world of acoustics? When you're talking about the 2", are you…
• Aaronw, 12 November 2003Hello again, Been too busy trying to finish off a keg the past few days. Had a house warming over the weekend. That Australian beer is good... :D Anyway, another…
• Aaronw, 12 November 2003Thanks Bryan. So that would be: Concrete, shim, neoprene, 2x4 in that order if I read that correct. Knightfly (Steve), on page 2 of this thread where we discussed the…
• knightfly, 13 November 2003"Concrete, shim, neoprene, 2x4 in that order " - Unless your shims are made of plastic or other waterproof material, I would put them above the neoprene. If necessary to…
• knightfly, 13 November 2003Sorry, missed a few questions - "One of the things he was talking about was putting 2 layers of 40lb felt (I believe he said roofing felt) and overlap by at least half…
• Aaronw, 13 November 2003Thanks Steve, The last paragraph you wrote about the pipes. Are you talking about the plumbing pipes, or the structural posts holding up the house? What do you mean by…
• knightfly, 13 November 2003On the pipes I was talking about plumbing - both supply and drain pipes. The hangers I mentioned are the ones that support the pipes up under the joists - some of these…
• Aaronw, 13 November 2003That's interesting Steve. I never would have even thought of that. :) 8) Looking at the diagram, I would use the construction adhesive to glue the gypsum up again the…
• knightfly, 14 November 2003That particular drawing is one I marked up for another member, so there are a few things I would change. I'll take your questions somewhat in order; You can use adhesive…
• Aaronw, 14 November 2003Steve, What I meant on the angled ceiling question was, in this thread earlier, we were talking about having the center of the control room above the mix position higher…
• knightfly, 14 November 2003John, glad you like it so far, sticky is probably a good idea - Aaron - Actually, I'm not sure if anyone even makes RC1 anymore - it used to be made by US Gypsum, they…
• Aaronw, 14 November 2003Steve, I had picked up some RC1 a couple weeks ago. I don't know what brand it is or who makes it, but it looks just like the Deluxe RC on the web site link. The stuff I…

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• knightfly, 15 November 2003Not all companies make all the gauges of studs, so your supplier may not have them. It depends on how you're going with your ceiling which of the two you mentioned would…
• Aaronw, 17 November 2003Quick window question...Is there a rule that applies to window sizes between control room and live room? 3x5, 4x6, etc. BTW, good info on the rubber... Also, Steve on…
• knightfly, 17 November 2003Windows - bigger the size, the more cost and the more loss of TL (although the minute you break the wall for a window that's the MOST difference) Thicker glass,…
• Aaronw, 18 November 2003I didn't exactly draw it to scale. But the room is approx 17'x17' on the outside once I frame. Also, on the floor, just for kicks, I took a piece of the 4" insulation I…
• knightfly, 19 November 2003I would NOT put anything directly in contact with the concrete that doesn't HAVE to be - one way to handle this is to stretch chicken wire under the joists, leaving a…
• knightfly, 21 November 2003That IS "L-metal", known in the trades as "angle iron" or just "angle" - I've not seen any ready-cut lengths that are heavy enough for floor support though, what I'd do…
• Aaronw, 25 November 2003Steve, Just a quicky...you mentioned earlier in the thread to use "sill seal". I went to Home Depot to try and find "sill seal", and when I asked what it was, they just…
• knightfly, 25 November 2003"sill seal" is (I think) a trade name, it's a thin closed cell foam strip, width of a 2x4 or 2x6, used to "bed" the perimeter sill plates of a house to prevent air…
• Aaronw, 25 November 2003I've got plenty of the 1/8" rubber. I bought a 1/8"x4"x50 feet. And at almost a buck a foot, it would be nice to use it somewhere. So the 1/8" would be ok to use for…
• knightfly, 25 November 2003That sounds like the same stuff - Michael Jones first mentioned it to me, I've not built much from scratch outside since stiffer requirements for energy were implemented…
• Aaronw, 8 December 2003Steve, Just for curiosity, and I think I already know the answer. In reference to RC, it is suggested or recommended that if you have two walls (the one on the inside of…
• knightfly, 9 December 2003The main reason for only using RC on one side of a single framed wall is so that one leaf of the wall retains some stiffness, which improves bass TL - on a double framed…
• Aaronw, 9 December 2003Hmmm... So if I were to do this, there would only be one layer of drywall on the interior wall for the control room? That doesn't seem as though it would give me much…
• knightfly, 9 December 2003You're right about the upstairs isolation thing, forgot where you were building momentarily. In that case, you'd need to go back to more balanced (but not totally…
• Aaronw, 10 December 2003Steve, On page 4 of this thread, I posted a drawing on wall/ceiling construction. At the top of this page, you said it all looks fine. Let me throw a monkey wrench in…

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• knightfly, 10 December 2003Man, I just went back and looked and I've no idea how I missed your second drawing - not sure if it hadn't loaded and I breezed past it, or what. Had I seen that before,…
• Aaronw, 10 December 2003I've placed RC across the floor joists. Was going to create one solid barrier across the ceiling, then build my room in a room so to speak. If I have to change/redo the…
• knightfly, 10 December 2003Here's the drawings I posted on this - http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewt ... c&start=45 in your case, the top two layers of wallboard in the drawing would be…
• Aaronw, 11 December 2003I'd like to make this as confusing and complicated as possible...LOL :lol: OK, let me add this bit of info. The floating floors will be comprised of 2x4 wood. The walls…
• knightfly, 12 December 2003"So do I need to remove my RC?" - Probably so, if you want non-level ceilings in your rooms (which would be a GOOD thing) One way to do what you want and still maintain…
• Aaronw, 9 January 2004Hello everyone...Glad to see the site back up. Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays. I've posted the latest design info of my room under my listing under the studio…
• Aaronw, 9 January 2004Whew, I've gotta question here. Anyone familiar w/ steel studs? I've started some of the minor construction around the studio. I've finished the floating floor section…
• knightfly, 11 January 2004"his main way of framing is having the wall(drywall) go behind the adjoining wall (a slap stud as he calls it), tying the walls together. Especially since this room is…
• Aaronw, 13 January 2004Hey Steve, BTW what I ended up using instead of the chicken wire was some nylon pull line (conduit pull line). The bucket I bought has 6500 feet, and since I'm not…
• Aaronw, 14 January 2004Hmmm...I probably could, but then I could also mount the studs hanging off of the joists above if I did that. I was trying to avoid connecting anything to the house…
• knightfly, 16 January 2004Aaron, you can build that way, but it will cost you a fair amount of headroom, due to span requirements for steel studs used as joists. If you already have structure you…
• Aaronw, 19 January 2004I'll take all that into consideration when I start designing the ceiling. I'm just worried about sound from upstairs or when tracking drums/bass, etc that the sound…
• knightfly, 20 January 2004Hey Aaron - Here's an update on the floor leveler - I'd go with thicker angle and 1/2" support bolts to compensate for the extra length required, since there will be a…
• Aaronw, 20 January 2004Thanks Steve. :D I was contemplating the idea of running bolts all the way through. I was beginning to have the idea that for the extra amount of leveling, a couple…
• knightfly, 21 January 2004Aaron, you're welcome - Keeping in mind that the drawing is not to scale, where you need the full 3" is in the vertical leg of the angle in order to keep bolt holes far…
• Aaronw, 21 January 2004I wonder if there might be some type of a U type steel bracket or something that could slide around the edge of the 2x4? Then again, would still have to figure out a way…
• knightfly, 21 January 2004I realize these brackets aren't for everybody, but even a local fab shop should be able to beat the prices of the readymade stuff from the "big boys" - In my case, I'm…
• Aaronw, 21 January 2004Steve, The second drawing is close to what I was describing. Maybe get some rectangular shaped steel, cut it in half, so you have to U shapes. Then weld a piece of steel…
• knightfly, 22 January 2004Here's a way to eliminate having to weld, in conjuction with the last drawing - no idea of cost, when all they have on the page is a "request for quote" section, it's…
• Aaronw, 23 January 2004I called S&W for pricing. For part #G-06 & G-07: G-06 is a 3/8 x 16 Threading 2" w/ 2.4 inch base is $1.58 each. G-07 is a 3/8 x 16 Threading 4" w/ 2.4 inch base is…

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• knightfly, 23 January 2004Yeah, the tee nuts are what I drew in the last pic. The two smaller pieces of wood on either side are "nailers" that would nail into the joist. Reason being that if you…
• Aaronw, 24 January 2004Steve, What if, in place of the nailers, I were to place a 6" piece of flat steel bar on each side and screwed it in? Would this give ample support where all the…
• Aaronw, 24 January 2004Steve, Another quickie on ceiling/wall stuff. I've been once again browsing through different/new postings on acoustical treatments, etc. I think I've come to the…
• Aaronw, 27 January 2004Hey Steve, I just copied & pasted what was in the other posts I made: What if, in place of the nailers, I were to place a 6" piece of flat steel bar on each side and…
• knightfly, 28 January 2004"What if, in place of the nailers, I were to place a 6" piece of flat steel bar on each side and screwed it in? Would this give ample support where all the drilling is?"…
• Aaronw, 28 January 2004Exactly what I meant. I was contemplating ideas with a friend yesterday, and because of the height, I may just keep it simple and cheap. Go back to the idea of shimming…
• Aaronw, 29 January 2004I believe you mentioned something about it before. In this case, I'm 4 1/2" away from the concrete block all the way around (or 2 sides anyway). On the "Perimeter…
• Aaronw, 29 January 2004I think I'll be ok in this situation. If this room were to shift 4 inches, I'd have some other serious problems other than a little shorting out. But it still wouldn't…
• knightfly, 31 January 2004While I'm trying to figure out where you would want a wall frame with no wallboard on it, one way of fastening the batts would be chicken wire :lol: Yes, I'm kidding -…
• Aaronw, 3 February 2004Hello everyone, Well, I've got the entire floor assembled, and leveled over the weekend. It looks great. I ended up using wood blocks, custom cut at each point, with the…
• Aaronw, 4 February 2004Hey Steve, Combination of both screws and nails unfortunately. The main supports of the framing I used nails. I feel more comfortable with nails supporting the weight…
• Aaronw, 5 February 2004That just gave me an idea. Maybe I could use this hat channel that someone gave me. Just run it along the backside, screwed in. That should hold it. I think I've found…

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• knightfly, 10 February 2004I forgot about nothing being on the back side of those studs - you won't need any RC even with the heavier gauge studs since there's no wallboard on the other side.…
• Aaronw, 11 February 2004Are you sure about the RC? I'd rather put it on. Plus it'll help hold the insulation in until the drywall goes up. And the area of double wall (between CR and tracking…
• knightfly, 11 February 2004No problems, just not necessary from an acoustical standpoint, other than to combat flanking if that hasn't been addressed another way. Walls need one of their two…
• Aaronw, 12 February 2004Great. Here's one of the latest pix of the floor (taken Sunday night). A friend stopped by w/ a digital camera, but hasn't sent me the rest of the pix yet, so I'll post…
• Aaronw, 12 February 2004Yikes! Just called to get an update on prices for 703. Prices have sky rocketed for that stuff. At least the Roxul is still affordable. Out of curiosity, I was talking…
• Aaronw, 12 February 20046 1/2" insulation is too much. What type of insulation are you using or have available? By compressing the insulation that much, it will make things worse than better.…
• knightfly, 12 February 2004Aaron, I'm not familiar with "706" - did OC rename 705 to reflect the true density of 6 PCF, or is this something new? For inside of walls, USG recommends 2-5 to 3 PCF…
• Aaronw, 13 February 2004706 is a 6 PCF board, hence the 703 is a 3 PCF board. Steve, you brought up a good point on the insulation "bowing", and now I've got a question on that. Steel studs are…
• knightfly, 13 February 2004OC 705 is their 6 PCF stuff AFAIK - it doesn't follow their numbering scheme for some reason. If you have info on a "706" product, I'd like to see it. I'm still not…
• Aaronw, 13 February 2004Sounds good. Now I just need a crash course in AC Duct work. It's coming around the corner quick. Subfloor should be going on no later than Saturday. Then it's time to…
• Aaronw, 13 February 2004Joists are 2x8, for the most part they are 16" OC, and roughly about 11 1/2 feet from wall to steel beam. Depth of room is approx. 16', and the width is 17' on the…
• knightfly, 13 February 2004OK, near as I can tell your upstairs floor would have either 50 live, 10 dead load rating or 40/20 - worst case, you would (if you wanted to) be able to hang an…
• knightfly, 14 February 2004Sorry, those #'s refer to loading per square foot for live loads (people walking around, moving pianos, etc) and the second # (smaller one) for dead loads (permanent,…
• Aaronw, 17 February 2004OK. I've completed the first layer of subfloor over the weekend...challenging! I also finally got all the pictures from last week, and took more yesterday. The final pix…

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• Aaronw, 18 February 2004Got another Q on equipment racks. I'm custom building my own. It will be 4 bays wide. 1. I know the equipment is 19". How much extra should I allow for the rails/gear.…
• knightfly, 18 February 2004Somewhat in order - a layer of 1/2" sheet rock between OSB layers would help quite a bit in several ways, if you can afford the extra 1/2". On racks: (1) I would NEVER…
• knightfly, 18 February 2004Yeah, there CAN be problems with this - mainly because no two manufacturers handle chassis grounding the same way. Especially the ProSumer stuff, where they will stick…
• Aaronw, 18 February 2004Speaking of balanced power... When I had my main service (electrical panel) changed out to actual circuit breakers instead of the screw in fuses, I inquired about the…
• knightfly, 19 February 2004Balanced power - that's why I posted the Equitech link, check their FAQ and white papers area, lots of info there. floors are (mostly) just walls that are horizontal.…
• Aaronw, 19 February 2004I was talking w/ a drywall guy lastnight, and he strongly urged me to "NOT" put drywall. He said if you put anything, to use the Duro Board (or something like that) that…
• Aaronw, 19 February 2004Steve, I checked out the Equitech site. Hmmm... Looks good...spendy little buggers... Hey, I checked out a few links. This may help some people... http://www.neccode.com…
• knightfly, 20 February 2004I hadn't heard of that problem - I wonder how long they store those full units (66 sheets or so) with each sheet laid flat under as many as 65 sheets of drywall (over…
• Aaronw, 20 February 2004OK, So when putting the drywall down between layers of subfloor, should I only use acoustical sealant between sheets, or should I also in addition to acoustical sealant,…
• knightfly, 21 February 2004I meant around the perimeter, where walls/floor/ceilings, etc, attach - where the bevels are in the middle of the field is where I meant to use a wide knife and mud,…
• Aaronw, 24 February 2004Good Morning everyone... Well, I finally got the second layer of subfloor on (well almost all of it...2 sheets shy of completion). After careful consideration of putting…
• Aaronw, 26 February 2004Yes, the insulation is up against the floor. I wanted to make sure of that prior to putting on the subfloor. BTW, the first layer is glued and screwed. There's not a way…
• Aaronw, 26 February 2004Almost forgot... I went browsing through HD the other night looking for a solution for easily making anti-sway brackets for the walls to mount to the above joists...and…
• knightfly, 26 February 2004Went there myself last night, everything I saw was too light except for some Stanley 8" "L" brackets at $5.50 each. If you were to use two of those (slightly mutilated)…
• Aaronw, 26 February 2004Thanks Steve, I'll browse the isles again and see what I can come up w/ for the brackets. Seems like each store has something a little different. Ok, now I've got some…
• knightfly, 26 February 2004This may take a bit, besides the usual "gator quotient I'm on 12-hour graveyards and in the midst of selling a house (with all the attendant crap) - may take a few days…
• Aaronw, 2 March 2004I found the perfect mounting scheme. Similar to your idea w/ the 8" brackets (I saw them too), but only I used the Concrete Anchors. They are in an L shape. They are…
• Aaronw, 4 March 2004Hey Steve, I've been pondering the ideas on sequence. Frame the outer walls first (control room). I'm using the steel studs for this. The inner splayed walls will go up…
• Aaronw, 5 March 2004More questions... Floor... The final flooring... Now that the subfloor is completed, and I've started framing walls...do I need to put the final floor on before hanging…

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• knightfly, 5 March 2004I thought you had decided against even USING a perimeter board - if not, and it becomes part of the mass-air-mass of your main isolation (the outer two leaves) then it…
• Aaronw, 6 March 2004Steve, As far as the perimeter board...I didn't think I needed one, and I still may not??? If I do though, I have to do it now. I'm at a stand still until I know. I…
• knightfly, 10 March 2004Aaron, I'm almost at a loss as to where to start here - it would make more sense to me if you could explain just what is actually confusing you as far as sequence is…
• Aaronw, 10 March 2004As far as the sequence I'm referring to, I'm trying to figure out at what point of the construction needs to go where? Here's what I'm thinking... 1. Frame outer walls,…
• Aaronw, 27 March 2004Good to see the site back up. Ok, here we go...Some of them I've already gotten answers to and I'll post. The last post on the insulation, I contacted Roxul to ask about…
• knightfly, 3 April 2004OK, lets see what we can cover here – CR ceiling – I agree you should extend the ceiling past the splayed walls – it should go to your actual inner envelope walls, to…
• Aaronw, 3 April 2004Being from the NW myself, I completely understand the "make use of..." statement. I also posted a question on the acoustics forum about hangers, etc. Barefoot added some…
• Aaronw, 6 April 2004Hey Steve, OK, I'm posting a drawing now of how do I or how should hang the acoustic hanger BTW, I agree. I realize this topic originally started out as the "Floating…
• Aaronw, 6 April 2004Also, here's another drawing in reference to what I was asking about the inner frame of the soffit stand. Also, looking at the Barefoots design, it doesn't show a…
• knightfly, 7 April 2004OK, you're getting into places that might be better handled by Barefoot or John - I'll give you my opinions, and try to "rate" each one as to how sure I am and why, but…
• John Sayers, 8 April 2004Ok - there are three ways to mount your soffits. The first is the simplest which is as per my design at SAE and which we've further updated through drawings posted here…
• Aaronw, 8 April 2004John, Steve, Thomas, and everyone else who has helped me on this thread... A HUGE THANK YOU!!!!!! for all the continued support on all my questions and all the great…
• Aaronw, 9 April 2004OK. Let the questions begin again...I'll start off simple (yeah right :) ). Now this is going to get really troublesome, unless I beef this thing up. As you probably…

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• knightfly, 9 April 2004"a solid wall insulated, and plywood between the 3 sections, plus the bass trap section on the left side. " - depends - if the wall behind the plasma "wannabe" is part…
• Aaronw, 9 April 2004Hi Steve, I understood the frame portion for the hangers. But at the same time, trying to figure out structure/construction method in which the soffit wall will stay put…
• knightfly, 9 April 2004"Baffle, baffle extension, soffit, soffit box, flush mount, bezel, speaker box baffle, extended soffit baffle, soffit face, etc" - Baffle, Speaker box baffle, both refer…
• Aaronw, 12 April 2004Hmmm. OK. Didn't mean to sound like an idiot when I posted that question. Some I knew, some I didn't. Some sounded like the same thing. Just wanted to clarify for myself…
• Aaronw, 12 April 2004Well, just went and listened to the JBL LSR6300 series monitors in a 5.1 setup over at Oceanway Studios. The new features w/ RMC (room mode correction) is a pretty cool…
• Aaronw, 13 April 2004Hey Steve, I used to think that way. But I'm too damn determined these days. (Somewhat anyway). I know I can do anything I put my mind to. There will be a day when I…
• Aaronw, 13 April 2004:) I didn't mean it that way... BTW, Aries over here. B-day is this weekend. Having a party Saturday, so I get to show everyone how the studio's coming along. Well, just…
• Aaronw, 14 June 2004OK, I've got another floor question. I'm not to this point yet, will be eventually. Hardwood floor in the control room... Let's say I use the Pergo laminate flooring.…
• Aaronw, 16 June 2004I seem to remember someone several months back talking about using the Pergo stuff, as it was glueless, etc. There's a pad that goes under the laminate flooring (between…

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• Aaronw, 16 June 2004I have looked at that option, but for the price difference it would be more cost effective or close to it, to do the pad by itself. I know some of the Pergo products are…
• Aaronw, 21 June 2004OK, I've got another roll developed. Let's post a few more pix. I've been working on the iso room mostly. I debated long and hard whether or not to do penetrations where…
• Aaronw, 27 June 2004OK, quickie question on windows and framing. In reviewing the diagrams that john has posted on SAE, it shows using fiberboard covered w/ insulation and cloth between the…
• Aaronw, 6 July 2004The pic is above, but here you go...I'll get you an exact measurement tonight. If you look at the studs, you can see what I mean. BTW...Update...The iso room is…
• Aaronw, 7 July 2004OK, let's see if I remember what measured last night. The spacing between the 2 floors is: (on one side it's 2 3/4" & 3" on the other). The rough framing of the door is…
• knightfly, 9 July 2004OK, gettin' closer now; is the 2" gap you're referring to a horizontal one, as in not only are your two floors almost 3" different in height, but also there is a…
• Aaronw, 9 July 2004Horizontal (between the 2 floors is about 3"), Vertical (height between them is about 2 3/4"). Flooring...laminate hardwoods; eg: pergo, shaw, or something similar. Yes…
• knightfly, 10 July 2004It sounds like you may be able to just add a piece of 2x4 and a piece of 1x4 to the edge of one of the floors (even with the top of the existing floor frame) and run…
• Aaronw, 12 July 2004I was actually considering putting a 2x6 and then another 2x6 ripped down to the proper height to level w/ CR floor. There will be a small gap. Wasn't sure what to put…
• Aaronw, 13 August 2004I've been searching threshold seals, and have found a few interesting sites. They've probably already been posted at some point in time, but here goes...…

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• Aaronw, 16 August 2004Yikes! I like the product, especially the "product code STC 2". I just called them to get an idea on price, big $$$!!! Here's the "SLRP" they gave me: 770: $19.29 ft.…
• Aaronw, 16 August 2004I meant to put that in there. Oops :oops: Thanks. Here's also another diagram from page 3 that shows layout and parts. http://www.zerointernational.com/produc ...…
• Aaronw, 2 September 2004Well, I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm guessing the trim will go on w/ something like liquid nails or an adhesive. Or, it may even stay put w/ some acoustical…
• cadesignr, 2 September 2004OH! Ok, can you tell me what you plan on doing between the gyp bd. edge and the jambs? It would seem that the jambs still have to be fastened to the studs, so I would…
• Aaronw, 2 September 2004I'm still figuring this out, but so far, yes, I'll be caulking the gap where the RC is between the gypsum and stud. Boxed? :? I used 20 guage on the frames. I'm still…
• Aaronw, 3 September 2004Update: the second layer of drywall has been hung on the ceiling on the front half of the CR. I'll be reviewing more of the front soffit wall designs and what we've…

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• Aaronw, 13 September 2004Not much has changed since the pix on page 18 (only posted a couple weeks ago). However, I have the second layer of drywall up on the CR ceiling on the front half of…
• kendale, 13 September 2004Hi Aaron, Thanks for the reply. Oops! I hadn't realized that it had only been a couple of weeks. Sorry. :oops: Say, I was wondering about the "shrinkage" comment. I am…
• Aaronw, 13 September 2004Individual Single wall w/ RC and 2 layers 5/8: 5 1/2" thick. Where the the double wall construction was between the CR & iso room, total thickness was 13". From the…
• Aaronw, 28 September 2004Just thought I would drop in and give an update on the room. I'M BROKE!!! And haven't gone any further since the ceiling was put up in the CR. So, I've decided to…
• Aaronw, 18 October 2004OK, things are getting back on track. I've purchased the hardwood flooring (laminate-Pergo (Red Oak)) for the iso booth. It was on sale the other day for $2.39 a SF.…
• knightfly, 23 October 2004Paul, I realize your comments are true for floated floors, and even for the decoupling of leaves in a wall; but these are SWAY braces, used to keep the walls from…
• Aaronw, 25 October 2004OK...Need some more feedback. On page 13 & 14 of this thread, we covered some of the soffit wall designs, etc. My question (after reading through it again), I'm curious…
• knightfly, 26 October 2004Whether to build soffits straight or leaning, depends a lot on the geometry of your room; if, considering your console/desk/chair arrangement, you can get your soffited…
• Aaronw, 9 November 2004Steve, I did a few measurements sitting in the chair, and the average spot ranges from 44-48" in my listening sweet spot. So how does 46" from the floor to the bottom of…
• knightfly, 9 November 2004Need more info on other dimensions; floor to ceiling at speaker, total width of room at speaker location (measured to outer edge of soffit where it meets the splayed…
• Aaronw, 9 November 2004Lookin Good! I'll have to read up on it when I get a chance. Right now I'm having difficulty typing w/ only one hand. There was a neighbors cat in our warehouse here at…
• Aaronw, 18 November 2004Cool. Well, next week I'll be doing major stuff in the studio. Put the board up on the back wall, finish out some electrical, hope to complete most of the front soffit…
• Aaronw, 29 November 2004Let's just say, I haven't even touched the the front wall this past week. However I have finished the second wall between the CR & LR (framed and insulated...just needs…

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• Aaronw, 14 December 2004More pix...starting the framing of the soffit wall. The wall is completely free standing and self supporting and only mounted to the floor. Does not touch any of the RC…
• Aaronw, 15 December 2004Actually, believe it or not, it's not construction related. It's from that damn cat bite I got 5 weeks ago. Had to have surgery to clean out the infection. While the doc…
• Aaronw, 7 February 2005I've just started doing some minor things last weekend and this weekend. I had some help last weekend and got the first layer up on the back wall of the control room…
• Aaronw, 8 February 2005Hey Steve... Got a quickie here...back to bass hangers... I've already cut some 1/2" & 3/4" MDF to use as the core of the bass hangers. Now, what should I use? Some…
• knightfly, 9 February 2005The vinyl strips thought was my modification of one of Newell's ideas, don't remember if it was RSD or one of the others (I have 3-4 of his books) - the idea was…
• Aaronw, 10 February 2005So would you suggest using something like floor vinyl that is hard, or something like a soft vinyl (like car seats or tops)? If I remember, you mentioned R11, but all…
• sharward, 11 February 2005I believe you're referring to the difference between optical zoom vs. digital zoom. Think of "optical zoom" like using binoculars, and think of "digital zoom" like…

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• Aaronw, 11 February 2005OK, let's return from the hijacking. Back to studio biz... I was considering Cedar as trim, but last night I had some white pine at the house, and some wood stain, and…
• Aaronw, 14 February 2005Here's the latest... Assembled some of the bass hangers over the weekend. I decided to skip the vinyl step, so we'll see what it does. The MDF is a mixture of 1/2" and…
• knightfly, 14 February 2005If you're going to use solid wood as a face, then yes you need openings preferably near corners, like top and bottom - I would "filter" these openings with heavy…
• Aaronw, 16 February 2005Update... I've finished the corner bass trap. Hopefully picking up some drywall today to finish out the control room back wall and ceiling and maybe the soundlock. After…
• Aaronw, 17 February 2005And here's the latest update for today...I might have pictures posted before the weekend. So check back later today or tomorrow. OK, I finally was able to round up a…
• Aaronw, 17 February 2005And I haven't decided if I'm going to keep the burgandy at the bottom or not. These pix don't really do justice. The top is actually more green than blue. Give me…
• Aaronw, 22 February 2005OK, I'm at a crossroads, and considering saying screw the soffits. :evil: :? :( Argh... I suppose I could assemble the front wall to where I could disassemble at a…
• cadesignr, 22 February 2005Whats the problem besides time, money, honey doos, jobs, materials, tools frustration, and other things of little consequence? :P I mean, those things have kept me from…
• knightfly, 22 February 2005Go buy 20 8x8x16 concrete blocks, 8 2x8x16 "pavers", a pair of MoPads, and make two stacks of blocks 16x16x40" (5 blocks high, alternately stacking the blocks like bales…

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• Aaronw, 23 February 2005That option may be too much of a load on my floor. I didn't plan on that kind of weight. Not to mention, I probably would have done that front wall and flooring…
• Aaronw, 23 February 2005Also, just out of curiosity (and necessity), the framing for the front soffit wall is 2x6's. I would have to secure a shelf or box for the monitors to bring them out to…
• knightfly, 23 February 2005If your floor framing isn't really sturdy under that location, the block stacks would probably not be a good idea; my original idea, when filled with sand (after…
• Aaronw, 23 February 2005I'm familiar w/ Dave's studio. In fact, I will probably be down there in a couple weeks to help w/ wiring up his studio. (but I want to finish this before I go) The…
• cadesignr, 23 February 2005Hello gents and forgive me buttin in here, but since this is exactly what I must deal with I thought I'd ask Steve a question in this regard. Steve, barefoots picture…
• Aaronw, 24 February 2005Bada Bing, Bada Boom Boom... Well I decided to bring my monitors down to the control room last night and fire them up. It's amazing how awful an untreated room sounds!!!…
• knightfly, 24 February 2005If your joists in the soffit area are 24" centers, maybe best would be to laminate the entire soffit floor with 1-1/8 ply - then tar paper and hollow 8x8x16 blocks, NOT…
• Aaronw, 25 February 2005Hey Steve. I was going to call last night but I got busy. I had a friend over, and we finished the 2nd layer of drywall on the ceiling. SO, this means that I have…
• Aaronw, 15 March 2005Here's the latest... The right speaker stand has been built, the conduits for the left soffit have been run and electrical wire pulled and terminated. Had to add a…
• Aaronw, 21 March 2005Update for 3/21/05: The speaker stand for the center soffit is complete. Finished 3/4 of the electrical boxes on the front center section. Just need to finish one more…

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• Aaronw, 6 April 2005Are you referring to the front soffit wall? Or something else? Here's an update. I finished half of the second layer last night on the front soffit wall. Sorry for no…
• Aaronw, 6 April 2005I'm utilizing the "space" behind the soffit wall also as a bass trap. When you soffit, the left & right soffit sections are angled at 30 degrees. And from everything…
• Aaronw, 7 April 2005Are you referring to the cross braces along the top of the framing, so I would have something to hang the hangers from. That's what I was referring to. I do know, that…
• cadesignr, 7 April 2005Hello Aaronw. No, I was referring to the hangers themselves. At the risk of being accused of heresy around here, I asked this to find out exactly what it is you base…
• knightfly, 11 April 2005I think Rick is referring to this thread - http://forum.studiotips.com/viewtopic.p ... 9e607782a9 Rick, if you'll combine my comments on the first page (my second post)…
• Aaronw, 11 April 2005There's another guy here in town that just moved from the LA area and is building a studio. His drawings also include bass hangers in the drawings for his last studio as…
• cadesignr, 11 April 2005You got it Steve. Can't sneak anything past you huh? :wink: In regards to my own project, I'll be starting on it in about a month. Give or take honey do's etc. AND my…
• Aaronw, 13 April 2005I know I'm ready to start playing w/ my toys again. Can't wait until this control room is finished. Here's the latest...The control room floor is nearly complete. Only…
• Aaronw, 15 April 2005OK...good news...The control room floor is complete. Lookin' great. I hope to accomplish more over the weekend. Monday is my B-day, so I'm taking a 3 day weekend and…
• Aaronw, 19 April 2005Thanks everyone. Had a great B-day. Went and had dinner (it took 'em almost an hour to serve the food, so they comp'd the whole thing... :) ) Then my friend took me to…

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• Aaronw, 6 May 2005OK, after the temporary thread jacking...here we go. Back to the latest. I've had these pix developed since mid April, but have been too busy to scan them. Just brought…
• Aaronw, 6 May 2005That's all the pix for now. I have more on the way. Since these were taken a month ago, I've already finished the floor, the second layer of ply on the front soffit…
• Aaronw, 9 May 2005Not a problem. If you haven't done so, you might repost the questions under another/new thread. You'll probably have better response, and you can have all the Q' & A's…
• Aaronw, 20 May 2005Hi Y'all... :D Seems like I've been busy on everything but the studio lately. I've been running some tones and pink noise, etc, just to see how the room is reacting…
• Aaronw, 16 June 2005OK, here's the latest as of last night. Took all these pix last night to make up for all the work I've done recently... These are the CR ceiling... It's hard to see, but…

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• Aaronw, 24 June 2005Hello Pantalaimon, If you could, resize those pix. I'm having to scroll on a 19" screen. :( Looks like Carl has got you covered on the question. I still haven't put my…
• knightfly, 27 June 2005Pantalaimon, glad your construction has been helped by this; now, if you could do US a favor by following as many of the highlighted points…
• Aaronw, 30 June 2005Hi Hugo, There were some reason's (after thought) as to why and the construction ended being built. If I had the chance to do over, There would be a couple things I…
• Aaronw, 1 August 2005Greetings all, I hadn't posted in a month, so I thought I would give an update to the latest (sorry, no pix yet). I have done nearly, absolutely, jack S**t. :evil:…
• Aaronw, 3 August 2005Yeah. It is a bummer. Life occasionally throws the curve balls at ya. Oh well. I just hope they get back on their feet. And hopefully this doesn't break my bank in the…
• Aaronw, 3 August 2005Hey Steve, I just noticed that 5 months ago you made an edit on the first page. :lol: I guess that shows A: how busy I've been; B: I haven't looked at the first page in…

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• Aaronw, 13 September 2005I keep forgetting to bring in the photos to scan. But here's the latest. Since the cash flow is low, I'm back to the demolition phase. Started ripping out the old walls…
• Aaronw, 20 October 2005OK, now for the electrical chase from the main panel to the sub panel, and various other electrical cables for the house. Just covering them up, w/ access for future…
• Aaronw, 20 October 2005OK, now we're getting the basement wall prep'd for new coat of Drylok. Scrubbed the walls w/ concrete etcher to remove the minerals off the block. And used the Fast Plug…
• Aaronw, 26 October 2005SCORE!!!!!!!! I received a phone call yesterday from a prior coworker. He just bought a fixer upper, and the previous owner was in the process of building a studio. Had…
• Aaronw, 26 October 2005Well...actually... I found on the side of one of the boxes, the foam is from that company. But, that's the least of my worries, as I didn't plan to really use much of…

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• Aaronw, 27 October 2005Not sure yet. I'm going to test a few more fabrics I already have, and see what they do. I may go ahead and use that fabric and can always change that out down the road.…
• Aaronw, 28 October 2005OK...Here's the flame test results I performed last night w/ the different fabrics I have. (I wish I knew what the new fabric was...). OK, the other half bolt of fabric…
• Aaronw, 31 October 2005OK, Here's the latest... I installed the fabric on the ceiling and also the lower front wall and over bass trap area yesterday. Looks great! And sounds better already.…
• Aaronw, 9 November 2005I started this thread over 2 years ago now. Gosh, it seems like yesterday, and yet so long ago... :| :roll: And congrats on your thread! I'll have plenty more to add as…
• Aaronw, 21 November 2005OK, todays update includes: I finished w/ 2 coats of Drylok on the tracking room side this weekend. Started tearing out the old electrical, and will be pulling some wire…
• Aaronw, 28 November 2005OK, I have more pix. Just need to scan these babies in. I know, I know, I need to get a damn digital cam. OK, here's the latest. Been an interesting holiday weekend. I…
• Aaronw, 28 November 2005The Fire Dept. thinks the transformer on the pole sparked and ignited the leaves/retaining wall. It's been dry here until yesterday. My neighbor called me about an hour…
• Aaronw, 5 December 2005OK, Here's the latest... I framed another room this weekend. Finished framing the "Mechanical Room" (for all the noisy stuff like power supply's, etc). Started framing…

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• Aaronw, 6 December 2005Alrighty...moving along... We have another wall framed. Got the top track secured and the end studs squared up. The home made isolation brackets, and all the studs are…
• Aaronw, 9 December 2005It's not IF, but when. It WILL get finished. As of this moment...REALISTICALLY...I'm going to say 2007. I am officially 2 years now in the "Reconstruction" build of the…
• Aaronw, 10 December 2005There's actually more to it, but they were at the end of the roll, and of course...they always screw up the last 2 pix on the roll when they develop it. Don't know why,…
• sharward, 10 December 2005Indeed, you're very lucky that fire was squelched before it damaged your home and/or studio in which you've invested your blood, sweat, and tears! :D Glad to hear you're…
• Aaronw, 12 December 2005Thanks. Well, I've taken the plunge. Bought a Digital Camera! So expect to see a whole lot more pix, and a lot less text... :lol: I sure wish I had this thing 2 years…
• Aaronw, 12 December 2005Thanks Phil, Yeah, been busy. It's been hectic around here at the office, and trying to stay busy at the house w/ the studio. Trying to get the core/prep stuff done so I…

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• Aaronw, 22 December 2005I plan to finish up the second layer tonight. Possibly even install the 3rd layer (which will be plywood) (for surface mounting stuff). Then I can run the electrical…
• Aaronw, 23 December 2005And beginnings of the second layer. That's all I did last night, I was pretty exhausted yesterday / run down. Was fighting a minor cold earlier in the week, and it…
• Aaronw, 23 December 2005Thanks, Yeah, I've had this thing lingering since Sunday night. Mostly just have the dry cough now, but my batteries finally gave out on me yesterday. Took an Ambien,…

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• Aaronw, 29 December 2005Here's starting on the second wall. It's not quite finished yet. I have a few last minute design/mods I've decided to build into the wall. I'll show them when I get them…
• Aaronw, 29 December 2005That's about it at the moment. I'm just about out of steel, and need to finish the walls between the two tracking rooms. Also need to finish some demolition work where…
• Aaronw, 29 December 2005Actually they're not bridged. They're just laying in there right now for some ideas. Below the window there, I'm going to build a display case into the wall since…
• Aaronw, 30 December 2005Ok, here's a little more detail on that. Right now, the track is just laying there to get the idea. I'll actually frame it this weekend. I was too tired when I got home…
• Aaronw, 30 December 2005Yeah, still trying to come up w/ an idea. It'll have to have seals and all, just like a door. Don't know yet if it'll bump out into the room some, or if I can keep it as…
• Aaronw, 3 January 2006I posted a page or so back, that my projected new dates would be 2007 for a complete finish. (And that's pushing it). Most of it depends on $$$ as to when it really gets…

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• Aaronw, 4 January 2006Yeah. Although, another thing I see is it's about to cost me an arm and a leg for the finishing touches (trim, acoustic materials, etc). Cha-Ching!! Talk about nickle…
• Aaronw, 4 January 2006I feel the pain. Fortunately I work a full time job too, so that's allowed me to take my time, do it right, and hopefully be debt free of it all (except the mortgage)…
• Aaronw, 6 January 2006Hello Greg, On the bottom along the concrete, I'm using 1/8" thick, by 4" wide Neoprene. Mostly just to keep it off the floor in the event of moisture, but also trying…
• Aaronw, 13 January 2006I've been crunching numbers. And with the rough educated guess, it looks like it will be about $14k-$17k in building materials to finish out the recording studio.…

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• Aaronw, 16 January 2006OK, Between having to work at the boss' house w/ his computer, having to do some digital transfers, and telling a good friend to never call me again, I managed to do a…
• Aaronw, 27 January 2006Sorry for no recent posts. Been having to take it easy this past week. Thought I may have had a kidney stone, but looks like something else. Still painful though…
• Aaronw, 15 February 2006I F***ING HATE CONTRACTORS!!!!!!!! This A$$hole wanted more money to finish up the project, beyond the original $$$$. So last night I went and bought 14 bags of concrete…
• Aaronw, 16 February 2006OK, I'm planning to start working on the studio a little more. A couple weeks ago I picked up some more studs. Yesterday I picked up some more 1/8" rubber to put under…
• Aaronw, 16 February 2006Me too... Once I get insulation in the walls, I can at least do some minor tracking. Right now w/ the bare metal, it rings. Then I can use that money to either pay off…
• Aaronw, 21 February 2006Here's the contact info I was given for the mineral wool. I hadn't had a chance to call them yet. Been too busy here at the office. David or Troy at Insulation Supply in…

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• Aaronw, 1 March 2006OK, We're getting close to finishing up the framing. It's been so crazy with everything else, I'm just now getting back to working on it some piece by piece. So, here's…
• Aaronw, 2 March 2006Thanks. Still got a long ways to go though. I've got few side projects coming up, so maybe I'll have a little extra cabbage to buy some more materials again. I've got…
• Aaronw, 6 March 2006Alright, got a little done amidst everything else this weekend. Got most of one wall insulated in one tracking room. Finished the low voltage conduits to the second…
• Aaronw, 8 March 2006Greetings everyone, In light of some recent events w/ my current employer of 8 years, I am now actively seeking a new gig. If anyone knows of something, let me know.…
• Aaronw, 9 March 2006I'll try and post some updated pix today. With all the BS going on lately, I'm kicking it into high gear to hammer this thing out as quickly as possible. The framing for…
• Aaronw, 13 March 2006I got busy this weekend. The picture above, (I'll post new one's later...forgot the cam) the conduits are done in the second tracking room. The back wall where the…

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• Aaronw, 28 March 2006The Tools...a Necessity. The skill...it's practice and common sense. I've learned I can do just about anything I set my mind to. (with the exception being car…
• knightfly, 29 March 2006Aaron, finally found the info I was looking for on felt vs. permeability, etc - from this link http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publication ... riers.html A couple of…
• Aaronw, 29 March 2006Charles: The legs were for leveling the floor. The iso room I had done first, and that section was level. Had I finished it after the main control room floor, it may…

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• Aaronw, 4 April 2006Well, I've gotten a few more things done. I'll post pix later. I built the ramp in the soundlock going up to the control room floor on Saturday. Sunday, I went and…
• Aaronw, 10 April 2006For the time being, since I'm only doing 2 mix, and don't have the speakers for 5.1, I've decided to temporarily cover up the holes for the center and rear speakers.…
• Aaronw, 10 April 2006Yeah, I know what you mean. :roll: I get excited w/ each little step I accomplish with this build out. And the sad thing is, only people like us here on the forum get…
• Aaronw, 17 April 2006Well, I performed a small side project this weekend for the studio. It's the new addition...The Lawson Plate Reverb. I started refurbing it this weekend. Built a new box…
• Aaronw, 19 April 2006OK, here's the latest. I am 99% finished w/ the steel framing. Just need about a half dozen more studs and I'll be done w/ all framing (except RC). Well, here's a few…

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• Aaronw, 24 April 2006Unfortunately, I learned that AFTER I have framed 7 doors already. The new framing, I can probably do it, but I'm S.O.L on the other 7. :roll: That's one of those things…
• Aaronw, 24 April 2006The walls are solid. The "rough in" for the doors (which is the steel frame) is 2" bigger all the way around for a door frame. All door frames will be custom made to fit…
• Ro, 25 April 200620 gauge is lightweight, to hang doors you should atleast use 25. Still I would reccoment a woodframe.. Haning cardboardboxed doors (the ones used in home constructions)…
• Aaronw, 10 May 2006Just thought I'd bump this to the front page. It was half way down the 2nd page. :shock: Here's an update. Haven't done anything new the last couple weeks since the…
• Luftweg, 12 May 2006I have been looking through these pages and pics about your project, and I'm very curious about a couple things (as, of course, it relates to my in-progress project):…
• sharward, 12 May 2006There can (and should) be a firm connection between the outer leaf wall and the outer leaf ceiling. The decoupling should occur between inner and outer leaves. There is…
• Luftweg, 12 May 2006Although, a direct connection would not apply to where the layers of sheet rock meet at the corner intersections, right? So, I connect a top plate directly to the above…
• Aaronw, 12 May 2006Luftweg (k), I don't know if you've read the whole thread yet, but here's a couple direct links to pictures as to what I've done. The control room floor is floating. The…
• Aaronw, 15 May 2006All right. Got a few more things done this weekend amidst the spring ritual of mowing the lawn again. Started working on the frame work for the 703 in the first sound…
• Luftweg, 17 May 2006[warning: pun ahead] There's a lot of people who might wanna tell you where you could put it.... But seriously, how can you even think of building a studio unless you…

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• Aaronw, 23 May 2006Thanks. ON ANOTHER NOTE...I GOT HOME LAST NIGHT AND SOME MOTHER F***ER STOLE MY TABLE SAW FROM MY HOUSE!!!!! THERE'S NOTHING I HATE MORE THAN A THIEF!! :twisted:…
• Aaronw, 23 May 2006Yeah. That's it. It was under my car port outside, behind my house (not viewable from the road). So it had to be someone who knew it was there. They were in, they were…
• Aaronw, 24 May 2006Thanks Stan. yeah, it's a bummer feeling. It's what they call a portable saw. For the most part, it's easier w/ 2, but one person could have done it if they wanted it…
• Aaronw, 24 May 2006Yeah, I was poking around all the classifieds sections online yesterday, including Ebay. I've got the serial number, because I still have the box (at least I hope that's…
• Aaronw, 31 May 2006Anyone remember this quote... Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm over…
• Aaronw, 6 June 2006OK, Aside from the 2 weeks of distraction from a couple weeks ago, I managed to finally move forward again on the studio. Managed to put myself in more debt for a new…
• Aaronw, 6 June 2006Here's some pix of the other soundlock... frames assembled, then glued to the drywall w/ construction adheshive. Keeps from having to penetrate the shell as little as…
• Aaronw, 7 June 2006There is 2 layers of 5/8" drywall mounted on RC Channel. The gap between the drywall and stud where the RC channel is, is filled w/ acoustical sealant. That's why it…
• Aaronw, 8 June 2006They're 20 AWG (the beginning of structural steel). Yes it was an after thought...or should I say not told or informed, to have it larger for an additional wood frame.…
• Aaronw, 12 June 2006Well, no updates from this weekend. I've been busy on a little side project building a compressor. I'll show pix when I get 'er done. On another side note. I won't get…

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• Aaronw, 22 June 2006No updates. Just popping in to say Howdy. :D If time permits this weekend, I may fill the new frames w/ 703 and hang some more fabric. I'm finally taking the plunge and…
• sharward, 26 June 2006About $50 per month (a la carte -- it would be cheaper if I bundled phone and/or TV service). But I get reimbursed for 100% of it through my employer. 8) There was no…
• sharward, 30 June 2006Bear in mind that my fiber connection is provided by a company that competes with both the incumbent telephone company and the cable company. :twisted: For the record, I…

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• Aaronw, 9 July 2006Good Afternoon everyone. Just thought I'd pop in and ask again about an earlier question I had posted and got no reply... Anyone have info about building an echo…
• len-morgan, 10 July 2006I guess I have to answer your question with a question of my own: Why? I would think you could get much better results much cheaper if you used software plug-ins. The…
• Aaronw, 10 July 2006Why Not. Everybody and their damn plug-ins. :roll: :roll: It's items like these that sets you apart from everyone else. Actually, it can be controlled, but yes, it can…
• Aaronw, 19 July 2006Update... Not too much done in construction, but have been running all new wiring and new sensors for the alarm system in the studio. Ran new smoke detectors for each…
• Aaronw, 23 July 2006OK, finally finished the wire runs for the alarm system updates. I'm changing over to another service, so they'll be here tomorrow to install the new main panel,…
• Aaronw, 26 July 2006Ooooohhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! :o Another day in the life of... Well, this morning brought another taxing, wallet eating, unfortunate, life as we know it...Doah! Going through a…
• sharward, 26 July 2006Do not take a hot shower or soak in a hot tub -- it will worsen the condition tomorrow. Do take Ibuprofin (Advil, Motrin) -- it will lower the inflammation. The sooner…
• Aaronw, 26 July 2006Hmmm... I guess it's good you told me. I was going to take one before bed to loosen up a bit. I took a BC powder this morning when I got the headache, but my back is…
• sharward, 27 July 2006What difference would that make, Ro? Besides (sorry, Aaron), in 99.9999% of rear-end collisions, the driver in the rear is at fault. I had a minor collision just about…
• Aaronw, 27 July 2006Greetings everyone. Thanks everyone for all the support. Yeah, I'm hurting this morning. I've got a kink in my right side (neck and back). I'll probably have to go get…
• Aaronw, 2 August 2006Alright...I'm finally going to see the doc tomorrow (Wed.). My back is killing me. I don't dare try and lift anything over 20 pounds or so. Heck, even a 12 pack is…

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• Aaronw, 3 August 2006Well, I finally went and saw the doc. They took some spinal xrays of my neck area. Should get the results of those tomorrow. On the other note, finally getting some…
• Aaronw, 4 August 2006Well Hello Stranger... Pictures! Are you having withdrawals!? :lol: What kind of pix do you want? I haven't been able to do anything the past week or so after my car…
• Aaronw, 5 August 2006It is a balancing act... OK, update. I received two of the variacs yesterday I bought off Ebay. So hopefully I'll get one of them wired up for the other tracking room.…
• Aaronw, 20 August 2006Greetings all... Sorry I haven't been here for a week and a half. My father passed away on Thursday Aug. 10th. :cry: I had to fly out of town to Portland, OR. I just got…
• sharward, 21 August 2006Aaron, you have my condolences my friend. I'm so sorry to learn of your loss. I lost my dad 20 years ago in October when I was just 17. Please let us know if there's…
• Aaronw, 21 August 2006Thanks everyone. He was 58 years old. Too young. Unfortunately, he suffered a lot of pain the last 9 years or so. His wife (step mom) died last year of cancer. You name…

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• Aaronw, 7 September 2006Greetins all. Well, I'm finally starting to get a little better as far as my back is concerned. Hopefully in a couple weeks I can start to lift some heavier items and…
• Aaronw, 7 September 2006Yeah, I know. :roll: It's been a year of monkey wrenches being tossed into the mix. And the most challenging financial year in a long time. But, I'll get through it!…
• Aaronw, 15 September 2006Greetings and welcome to the site. Sliding glass doors are common for a lot of studio's. I would suggest doing a double set of doors though if you do. Either in a double…
• Aaronw, 20 September 2006OK...Back on the band wagon! Let's move this construction project back into the forward motion. 8) Some teaser pix to get things rolling again. (It's taken me all…
• Aaronw, 21 September 2006Just thought I'd take a break from construction for about 10 minutes and pop in and say hello. I've got 3 of the 6 conduits coming from the tracking rooms & Mechanical…
• Aaronw, 25 September 2006I'll post pix later, but I got all but one conduit finished to the panel. I pulled about 1/2 a mile of wire yesterday. Ran out of wire, so I've got to go pick up some…
• Luftweg, 25 September 2006Conduit is the only way to go... even for ALL the residential wiring runs: it's much neater and organized (you can see which conduit goes what direction); prevents…
• Aaronw, 25 September 2006The conduit price isn't too bad. (it was 8 months ago). 1/2" is $1.97 per piece (10 ft). 3/4" is double @ $3.97 per piece The 1/2" is pretty easy to work with, but a…
• Luftweg, 25 September 2006ah, you are right... yes, thinwall is quite cheap, really.... It's labor costs that might kill you with having conduit run -- but if you do it yourself, you'll save…

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• Aaronw, 26 September 2006Me too. Except, now I've got something else wrong in my lower left gut. Went and saw the doc today. If it gets worse, I'll need to go get a CT scan. Back on the damn…
• guitardad72, 27 September 2006Aaronw, Eh, repeating what every one else has said, looks good. 8) All this talk of conduit thought I throw this in... Last night a guitar player friend on mine was on…
• Luftweg, 27 September 2006Suppose you could always put a junction box or conduit body somewhere in those runs, but of course it depends on how much slack you have in the conductors, and there…
• Aaronw, 28 September 2006Alright...Won 10 more IG recepticals on Ebay! Will just need a few more to finish all the outlets. Also won some more variacs for the light dimmers. The others I…
• Aaronw, 29 September 2006Several reasons. 1: When I started the project, I was getting a lot of it free, and it was also cheaper than wood. (3 years ago). 2: Moisture. The studio is in a…
• sharward, 29 September 2006...although condensation could be an issue with steel framing, which would promote mold growth... Yes? :roll: Wood framing can absorb a lot of moisture in the air…
• Aaronw, 29 September 2006Heck if I know. :lol: I hadn't read up on anything recent the last couple years on it. Basically, my main reason as to the start of this project 3 years ago was free…
• Aaronw, 2 October 2006Weekend update. Saturday I added 2x4's (ripped down) and slid them into the steel framing around the 36" doors for the tracking rooms. Since this was something learned…
• Aaronw, 7 October 2006I got the powerstat wired up for the other tracking room Thursday night. They too were on my door step when I arrived home Thursday. Just terminated 10 more recepticles…
• Aaronw, 13 October 2006Thanks Oz. About the only part I have actually drawn up is the Control Room, Iso Room, Mechanical Room, and Tech Room. The tracking rooms were roughly sketched on a…

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• Aaronw, 17 October 2006Here's the first step in indexing this thread. I've included on page 1 now, a direct link to each individual page, to make things easier to browse. I'll also paste a…
• Aaronw, 22 October 2006Here we go... Just picked up 32 sheets of 5/8" drywall. This will be a good start for the tracking rooms. It's about 1/2 of what I need. I estimated 70 some sheets to…
• Aaronw, 24 October 2006OK, I have a semi-concerned question here. I've been noticing for some time now, that it feels as though the control room is really floating. It's got a subtle vibration…
• sharward, 24 October 2006I know exactly what it is... Your basement is haunted! :twisted: But seriously... Underloaded or overloaded are "definite possibilities." How did you measure the…
• Aaronw, 24 October 2006My rough estimation as to what load the floor is going to have on it is anywhere from 8-12000 pounds. That will include the walls, soffits, speaker stands, console,…
• Luftweg, 24 October 2006'Who ya gonna call?'..... Considering the time of year and all, nearing All Hallowed's Eve, and your geographic location... It's definitely gotta be Elvis... The quick…
• Aaronw, 25 October 2006Huh? What's that post in reference to? BTW, the floating floor has no contact w/ the concrete. It's all sitting on 1/2" rubber. Also, finding any plywood that thick is a…
• Aaronw, 25 October 2006HD or Lowes here doesn't (or at least didn't) carry it when I was looking for it for the soffit walls. I contacted the lumber companies, and they would have had to…
• Luftweg, 26 October 2006Ooops, I just realized that Music City is Nashville (how did I confuse that with Memphis?); and of course Elvis is more a Memphis thang, than a Nashville one... is this…

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• Aaronw, 28 October 2006Marc, In typical normal contruction I would. There are several reasons why I have not done this. First and foremost, I haven't done the HVAC duct work yet. In order for…
• Aaronw, 31 October 2006Second layer is complete in the first tracking room (except above the large window where I need to run some duct work). Here's the pix from this evenings work...and…
• Aaronw, 4 November 2006Greetings all... Well, if I can get up the energy to do so, I'll mud, tape and seal all the seams on the second layer this weekend. I'm feeling kind of lazy today after…
• Aaronw, 12 November 2006Update: I finally got around to mudding, taping and sealing the second layer yesterday (Saturday). I went and picked up some 8" flexduct to use for the HVAC returns. If…
• sharward, 12 November 2006Hey, man, you're kicking some butt -- and making me look bad! :evil: ;-) Don't miss this post from infiniteposse from a few weeks ago , where he regurgitates some quotes…
• Aaronw, 22 November 2006Greetings all... I've been busy. I took this week off from work, so I've been hammering away at the studio. I'll post pix when I have time to slow down, but here's what…
• Aaronw, 25 November 2006Still been busy! Yeah, I know...I'll get the pictures up soon enough... I installed 8 more bags of insulation yesterday. And I'm still itching today...If there's one…
• Aaronw, 26 November 2006OK, I'm whooped! A solid week of nothing but construction on the studio. Update... I AM 100% DONE WITH FRAMING!!!!! Yippie!!! :D :D :D :D :D :mrgreen: :mrgreen:…

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• Ro, 29 November 2006Ah, now my photoshop experience comes in handy to share :) There's a batch process called "Web Photo Gallery" in PS, use that. It'll save tons of manual resizing. Make…
• guitardad72, 30 November 2006Hmm, I've been using Photo-shop on Windows for since 1998 and do not remember a version that does not at least have the save for web option, which decreases quality of…
• Ro, 30 November 2006Marc, CS (Creative Suite) is Photoshop version 8.0. All those functions are there, trust me (it's been there atleast since version 7.0) I just switched to CS2 (v9) by…

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• Aaronw, 4 December 2006Greetings all... Well, this weekend went a different route than planned. I ended up doing plumbing all weekend. I relocated and changed out a couple pipes going upstairs…
• Aaronw, 9 December 2006Happy Friday everyone... Well, I'll be offline for the weekend. I'm moving an old Soundcraft console into the control room (temporarily) and moving out this Mackie…
• Aaronw, 13 December 2006Just a quick update... Not much construction, except I finished all insulation in the 2nd tracking room on Monday night and hung drywall on one more wall. Other than…
• Aaronw, 15 December 2006Update: Slowly been hanging the first layer of drywall in the 2nd tracking room. Hung a couple more sheets last night. I had an HVAC company come out yesterday as well…
• Aaronw, 18 December 2006I've never had any issue's with tielines/mic inputs on a bay in the same vicinity as all other bays. If the engineers designing these million dollar consoles such as…
• Aaronw, 18 December 2006Didn't mean to sound so blunt on the last post. It's Monday morning and I hadn't had coffee yet! :roll: Anyways...update...Finished the first layer of drywall on the…
• Aaronw, 26 December 2006Here we are back to the tracking room #2. Image not preserved: Pict0076R.jpg Pict0083R.jpg

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• Aaronw, 26 December 2006Yeah, me too... The problem I'm going to run into shortly, is I keep getting all this equipment, and now it's going to get in the way of finishing out the control room.…
• Aaronw, 28 December 2006Oops...forgot to post the pix of the work I did last Saturday. I ran out of insulation, so I wasn't able to finish the wall, but I just picked up some more yesterday. So…
• Aaronw, 30 December 2006Well, today consisted of mostly toy tinkering. (The 2") However, I did go out and purchase the wire for the studio today. $1300 worth later... :shock: :shock: :shock:…
• knightfly, 31 December 2006IF you really wanna know what your tension is doing dynamically, see if you can find one of these to rent http://www.tentel.com/prod01a.htm I have one from my video tech…
• Aaronw, 12 January 2007Not much going on lately, but I've ordered some parts for the gear. Plan to re-lamp the 2" VU's tonight and maybe rechip the one channel strip on the console that isn't…
• Aaronw, 22 January 2007IT HAS BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE WEEKEND!!!!! :D :D :D With the exception of where I need to run some duct board, nearly all walls are complete in the studio... as far as…
• Aaronw, 22 January 2007I still need to add a few screws into the plywood in area's, and caulk all the way around yet. Need to caulk, tape and mud the drywall sections in the soundlock area.…

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• Aaronw, 29 January 2007There's a couple. One, for attaching acoustic treatments to. Two, I plan to use some type of wood finish in the main tracking room, so I need something to tack it to.…
• Aaronw, 31 January 2007OK, here's my specialty area...finally get to do some tech work... Here's a step by step on the Elco/Edac's I put together this weekend... The first couple steps are…
• Aaronw, 7 February 2007I bought the LG 42LC2D I wanted the LCD instead of the Plasma since I'm hooking up my computer and Hard Disk Recorder to it mostly, although the Digital ATSC Tuner is…
• Aaronw, 9 February 2007Well, believe it or not...I've got a session booked for the 23rd-25th. That's the reason for the scrambling to get everything connected, etc. I have lots to do between…
• Aaronw, 16 February 2007OK, been busy w/ some wiring this past week. I'll post a few pix here to show the chaos... :lol: This is some of the wiring for the LCD on the front wall, and the 24…
• Aaronw, 17 February 2007Probably not. :? Remember...that was 3 years ago. There are a few things I would probably modify or change as well as things I've learned a little more about over the…

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• Aaronw, 22 February 2007Well, I got some wires pulled for a cue system, put plastic on the ceiling to keep the insulation from coming down on everyone. Going to wire up about 12 channels of the…
• Aaronw, 27 February 2007Now, how in the heck did I end up on the second page? Well, here's the verdict on the first session in the studio... Went great, sounds great, and everyone likes it. !!…
• camistan, 1 March 2007Hey Aaron Congrats on the progress. You've come a L-O-N-G way since your first post in this thread. I even went back to look at some of my first posts and found I've…
• Aaronw, 1 March 2007Oh Yeah! They were. I just need to finish some acoustics in the CR though. I really haven't tuned in the room yet. I don't have windows or doors in yet. I have the first…
• Aaronw, 9 March 2007Sorry for the lack of updates the past few weeks. Been really busy between the day job, working on the studio, and tracking in the studio. Last weekend (Saturday) I…
• Aaronw, 23 March 2007Greetings Everyone! I know it's been a few weeks since I've posted anything. It's been a crazy year so far. Between the day gig, and the studio, I hadn't had much time…
• guitardad72, 24 March 2007Nice pics Aaron. You're working on a job I fear the most about my 40 year old house... digging up pipes under the concrete, mine run under bedrooms. What year was your…
• Aaronw, 25 March 2007The house was built in 1955. There was no cleanout at all. Had to pull the toilet to fish the line for brown trout. :lol: I installed one of these at the end (not in pix…

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• Aaronw, 31 March 2007I HATE GROUND LOOPS!!! I've been fighting this issue for weeks now! I'll get it resolved, but it's sure driving me nuts... :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? The sad thing is,…
• rod gervais, 31 March 2007Aaron, you can definately have a buzzing that takes place because of unruly gear coming together. If thatt's the case - unhook everything and begin - very slowly and…
• Aaronw, 2 April 2007Already tried. Also have tried (and is still currently wired this way). I lifted all ground pins between the console and the HDR. I have also done this. The only…
• Aaronw, 16 April 2007Holy Moly! :shock: :mrgreen: Looks like over the weekend or last few days, we've crossed over the 200k mark on views. Well, on another note...still trying to trace down…
• Aaronw, 16 April 2007It's a Mackie HDR 24/96. It worked fine w/ the previous console. And yes, I tested just before everything was swapped (console). The console is: Soundcraft Series 2400.…
• Aaronw, 17 April 2007Here is whats on the console... Qty. of (3) 56 pin Elco's. Configuration is: 8 channels tape send and return on each Elco. The other end is broken out to (2) DB25…
• Aaronw, 17 April 2007When I connect just the cables, (without being connected to the HDR) I get some buzz & hum. Once I connect the HDR (powered on or off) it really goes to hell. I've tried…
• Aaronw, 25 April 2007A couple years too late for me (except the tracking rooms), but good info. I don't recall seeing those on their site a couple years back though. If I did, I avoided due…
• sharward, 27 April 2007Here you go, Aaron... Recovered from web.archive.org — originally hosted at http://www.toyarchive.com/Convertors/Rex1a.jpg Recovered from web.archive.org — originally…
• Aaronw, 28 April 2007Hi Dave, Yeah, that's been the unfortunate discovery of this headache. I was told by another tech about this a couple months back when I first started having this issue,…
• camistan, 28 April 2007Aaron I checked the SAE section on this site, but I need some clarification. I'm just curious to know when we say "unbalanced equipment" that causes the problem of…
• Aaronw, 28 April 2007Dave, that's the best summed up version of the problem in a nutshell. Thank You. Yeah, I didn't have any problems going to the HDR. No buzz or ground loops recorded on…

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• Aaronw, 8 May 2007I just realized I hadn't posted any pix recently. (not that I've done much the last few weeks). A few weeks back, I filled in the hole w/ concrete. Rebuilt the wall for…
• Aaronw, 12 June 2007Greetings all. Things have been hectic lately, and I hadn't posted for over a month now. Hopefully this will change in the coming weeks. And I hope these recent health…
• sharward, 12 June 2007Congrats on the progress, Aaron! What "health developments?" Please share if you wish... Or not... It's up to you (obviously). Hey, some friends of ours are moving to…
• Aaronw, 12 June 2007Thanks Keith. Lots of pain in my left abdomin. It's been coming and going since about Sept/Oct. last year, but the last 3-4 weeks, it's been miserable. The docs got me…
• Aaronw, 13 June 2007Thanks Keith. I may be in some pain, but I'm not depressed or anything. A little irritated and cranky at times, but all in all, I'm still able to go about my day for…
• Aaronw, 22 June 2007Hey Sharward. I was in a sarcastic mood the other day. :roll: Actually, I've been contemplating whether or not to do drywall or tile. If I do tile, I'll have to put up…
• sharward, 2 July 2007I dunno... Apple getting into the cell phone business makes sense and I'm glad for them. I have a friend who works for Apple and has been in training for weeks to…
• Aaronw, 25 July 2007Greetings All... Well, I've worked on a few things since my last post, but don't have pix at the moment. Using a new computer at work, so I don't have the graphics…
• Aaronw, 1 October 2007Looks like I'm due for a posting here. :D Well, I've been the busiest I've ever been w/ the day job, so I haven't had much time to do anything else. But, this weekend I…

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• Aaronw, 2 October 2007Alright, alright, here's a couple... The first one's here are in the entry area near the stairs. A little half wall, which has actually now been mudded with it's first…
• Aaronw, 2 October 2007Here's the new fart fan in the basement/studio bathroom. I know it looks a little strange going down, but that was the only place I could get it to be able to vent…
• Aaronw, 2 October 2007I just went through and read the previous page (doah, should have done so earlier). I guess I need to post a picture of the tile w/ grout in it... Ahh shucks, just tried…
• Aaronw, 8 October 2007It's a Monday morning... :? OK, here we go. Some more pix... and this first pic shows where the hvac will come in. The hole was already there from previously, so I just…
• Aaronw, 8 October 2007I picked up some more insulation on Friday afternoon. I installed one bag last night. I finally finished up all the wiring, etc. And I remembered just how much I really…
• Aaronw, 1 November 2007greetings all, Once again, or should I say non stop, the day gig has kept me from doing much else, and will keeping me this way for at least through the end of the year.…
• Aaronw, 3 January 2008Hey Everyone & Happy New Year!!! :D Well, another year come and gone. It's been a little quiet here on the studio build the last couple months. The day gig has kept me…
• Aaronw, 3 January 2008I don't have the dim's with me at the moment, but the thickness varies from 1/4" & 1/4" laminated on one wall and 1/4" & 3/8" laminated on the other. So it would a total…
• Aaronw, 3 January 2008My current "leaf" construction is: Double wall (2) 3 5/8" walls of metal studs, filled w/ Mineral Wool (a couple inches between the 2 walls). Both walls have 2 layers of…
• Aaronw, 3 January 2008OK, here's some pix from Oct. when I was working on the Throne room... :lol: :roll: I reused a couple things when I redid the bath. I kept the shower (I didn't want to…
• Aaronw, 18 January 2008Thanks Eric. I seemed to vaguely remember that from a few years ago, which is why I planned on at least 1/2" and/or 5/8". For the 3/4", what combo would be suggested?…

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• Aaronw, 28 January 2008Hi Steve, When I first started researching studios, building, etc. My first thought was to use sand. If my room were in another scenario, I possibly would consider it…
• Aaronw, 11 April 2008Greetings Everyone, I'm sorry I haven't posted anything new recently. I've been dealing w/ a pinched nerve in my left arm/should/neck that has kept me from any…
• Aaronw, 20 September 2008Greetings all. Feels like forever since I've posted. I blinked and this year is nearly over. I hope everyone has been doing well. Well, I've been slowly trying to get…
• Aaronw, 14 October 2008Hello All!!! Well, some good news on the electronics front. I've made arrangements to purchase the console, 2" tape machine, cue system and old set of monitors for a…
• Aaronw, 14 July 2009Greetings All, Yep, still here. I've been so busy the last couple years, including getting engaged, I'm not here as often as I would like to be. I haven't done much…
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010How about some new pix... IMG_0733.JPG PICT0131.JPG IMG_0819.JPG IMG_0825.JPG
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010The Entry way walls have the paneling up, stained, sanded, clear coated... BTW, this was actually done late fall 2008. Just now getting these pictures up... IMG_0843.JPG…

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• Aaronw, 23 February 2010Here's with the paneling completed... I think these pictures are actually from just before I sanded and did a final coat. They are NOT this shiny on the final…
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010More... PICT0154.JPG PICT0157.JPG IMG_0871.JPG
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010Here's a better picture... PICT0034.JPG
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010Here's some control room pictures. Still under construction obviously, but I hope to work on it some this spring when it warms up a bit. The KRK's in the pic, I don't…
• Aaronw, 23 February 2010Here's a picture of us out in Lincoln City, OR last April. I had proposed to her at Bridal Veil Falls, in the Columbia River Gorge. This is from the beach a few days…
• John Sayers, 23 February 2010yes Brian - I appreciate your contribution to this site - no one would deny you have an honoured place in this forum. It takes a special soul to continue to keep posting…

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• Aaronw, 7 July 2011Greetings All, Well, it's been an adventurous year already! As you all know, I tied the knot back in October. Since then, the week after we got back from our honeymoon…
• Aaronw, 2 May 2013Well, after planning to get back on track w/ the studio build this summer, I had another set back. I was laid off from my awesome day job at Xerox AV at the end of…