Key posts: Found This Site Too Late...Help

Substantial posts by Nashtalon, who started the thread, and by the forum’s most active contributors. 68 of 138 posts are listed.

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  • Nashtalon, 7 December 2005Well am I a big dummy! Man I wish I had found this site earlier! I thought converting a detached garage into a rehearsal space for my country band would be pretty easy.…
  • Nashtalon, 7 December 2005Thanks for the reply. First thing I'm doing is getting a digital SPL meter to see what exactly I'm dealing with, both inside and outside. Perhaps that will help assist…
  • len-morgan, 7 December 2005I would NOT get the Radio Shack SPL meter if you are trying to see if you are too loud. The LOWEST reading it can make is 50dBa and that is already too high (it would…
  • len-morgan, 7 December 2005It depends on what time of day it was and whether that's the only time you'd be making noise. You've already got a 37 dB TL so you've got a ways to go. It would be an…
  • Nashtalon, 7 December 2005Just did your experiment. Inside 105db at ceiling. Oustide on roof, directly above where the inside reading was taken, I couldn't get a reading due to the ambient noise.…
  • Nashtalon, 8 December 2005Yeah, iI found this out. :x Had my drummer pound on the kick drum and got a reading of 110db inside the room. Outside, the reading was 88. That sucks. Man my brain is…
  • knightfly, 8 December 2005If you're up for massive amounts of tedium, the least waste of materials (already used) would be to carefully cut your two layers of inside gypsum off the studs with a…
  • len-morgan, 8 December 2005It's unfortunate that the frequencies we want to block the most are the most difficult to do. Then again, if it was easy, we'd ALL have studios! Steve's plan of removing…
  • Nashtalon, 8 December 2005Steve, thanks for the advice. I really wish I could avoid installing another wall and ceiling, as I'll lose quite a bit of space. Thems the breaks, though. For what it's…
  • sharward, 8 December 2005You've got room to spare. I encourage you to "do it right." My room will be about 8 feet wide when finished -- starting with 10 feet, so that's going to hurt -- but I'd…
  • Nashtalon, 8 December 2005Keith, Thanks for the inspiration. Man, your project is severe! Yeah, I have to do something to improve this room. It's not doing me any good as it currently sits. And…
  • knightfly, 8 December 2005Not trying to sound "one-dimensional", but even if you were to build an entire additional wall inside your existing space, you wouldn't get as good isolation as you will…
  • Nashtalon, 8 December 2005I understand, Steve. Thanks for taking the time to explain and assist. May I ask you something regarding the "beefing" up of the stud cavity? In the following drawing…
  • len-morgan, 9 December 2005If you built it the way you drew it, yeah, your not going to improve your situation any. You are showing (at the "bottom" of your drawing) what looks like a layer of…
  • Nashtalon, 9 December 2005Gotchya :D All of a sudden all of this has clicked and makes sense. What a education I've been given over the past few days. The only thing that seems like it'll be a…
  • Nashtalon, 12 December 2005Well got a few bids to do the framing and hang the rock. Both were close to $4,000 for labor only :shock: May have to bite the bullet, as I'm notoriously slow at both.…
  • sharward, 12 December 2005Sorry for the stickershock. :( It happens to all of us. For cooling, yes. Mini splits are awesome from what I've read. However, be prepared to spend big money for them.…

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  • Nashtalon, 12 December 2005Funny, I was just reading your experience from another thread. I found a mini split for around $550 that cools and heats. http://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__at ...…
  • sharward, 12 December 2005That's a darn good price. I'll have to look into that some more. I'm pretty sure the Soleus stuff is made in China, whereas the more expensive brands (like Mitsubishi…
  • Nashtalon, 12 December 2005The lines are $99 for 15'. I've found some of these units that come with the refrigerant, others that don't. As far as DIY, this is fairly easy, assuming you have basic…
  • Nashtalon, 13 December 2005Well today was adventurous and productive to say the least. We beefed up the outer walls (1st leaf) by using a router with a small bearing on it, drilling a pilot hole…
  • sharward, 14 December 2005Great idea salvaging the drywall! I kind of wish I had done that when I did my beef-up... It sure would have been a lot cleaner than what I did! (Although I'm sure yours…
  • len-morgan, 14 December 2005That's exactly what I mean! (Wish my wife understood me as well!) Just so you know (and you might already), when you are calculating or telling someone how big your air…
  • knightfly, 14 December 2005They will span 16'6" with 10 PSF dead load; two layers of 5/8 drywall weigh 4.7 PSF, plus the weight of the joists (part of the total dead load) would run about 2 PSF…
  • sharward, 14 December 2005Check with your local building department to make sure they're OK with you not filling the entire cavity between the walls with insulation... :roll: ...They may require…

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  • knightfly, 15 December 2005If your exterior doors are foam filled, adding MLV can help increase mass - filled doors also means they will each act as only one leaf (good thing) - but the most…
  • Nashtalon, 15 December 2005OK...Thanks again Steve, Sharward and Len. :D So the cavity in the air lock can simply be covered with cloth, for asthetic reasons only. The door seals I thought about…
  • Nashtalon, 17 December 2005Well, I've solved the doorknob conundrum. I bought two steel exterior type foam filled doors, one that opens right and out and one that opens right and in. I'm using a…
  • Nashtalon, 17 December 2005Would this idea work for ventilation? I'm thinking of constructing a box from pressure treated plywood and mounting an attic fan on it. This will create a draw or…
  • knightfly, 17 December 2005The basic idea will work; but not with 4" line, I'd go at least 8". And not PVC, you do NOT want any RIGID coupling between inner and outer leaves. The flex ducting will…
  • sharward, 18 December 2005You may have to have separate fans for fresh air intake and for exhaust. The sucking action at the exhaust fan is probably not sufficient to suck air in from the fresh…
  • sharward, 21 December 2005Yes, the HRVs are pretty pricey... And as I've said before, they have two sizes: big and very big. They're intended for entire houses, not just a single room. However,…
  • Nashtalon, 23 December 2005Hey there, Still making progress, slowly but surely. :D Framing of inner room will start after Christmas. I think Len had asked me to take readings of the SPL's as I…

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  • sharward, 24 December 2005You're quite welcome. Something to keep in mind about the Home Depots and Lowes and the like -- they carry the most popular stuff, not necessarily what you need. My HD…
  • Nashtalon, 24 December 2005Cool. There's a drywall supply here in Nashville, where I get my rock. I need to find out if they carry insulation...never occurred to me to ask. They're a huge store so…
  • len-morgan, 25 December 2005Why? I thought it was only necessary to get the two layers going opposite directions on alternating layers. It's too late in my project but I can tell you that I would…
  • Nashtalon, 27 December 2005I think I may forgo the heat recovery unit and opt for something simpler. I think I'll do a fresh air silencer on the interior of wall 1, which is the beefed up garage…
  • sharward, 27 December 2005Doesn't sound like a bad plan actually. :) I'm curious what the cost breakdown will be for that compared to the HRV. Actually, upon researching this a bit more, you may…
  • Nashtalon, 28 December 2005Keith, I'm basing my turnabout on this: I'll only be using the room several times a week for several hours a day. I may also rent it out, as I've had a lot of friends…
  • Nashtalon, 31 December 2005Well I got the two silencers for the outer leaf built and in place...man did that suck (no pun intended) :P I placed them at opposite corners and the inlet will end up…
  • Nashtalon, 3 January 2006Yeah, I'll be posting some pics soon. They started framing yesterday and are almost done. So nice to have 4 framers working together like busy bees. Sure get more done…
  • len-morgan, 3 January 2006Do you mean he can't afford it financially or timewise? There IS (virtually) no cost to removing the current two layers of drywall. Just take a dry wall saw, saw out the…
  • Nashtalon, 5 January 2006Well the framing's done and man were they quick. So fast they got the insulation installed before I had time to snap some pics of the walls w/o the insulation. The…
  • knightfly, 5 January 2006Don't think you're gonna be happy with your doors that way - the type you want are FLAT SOLID CORE, not paneled ones. Where the panels are recessed, you're losing MASS.…
  • Nashtalon, 5 January 2006Well, crap...wish I had known that. :x Unfortunately, they're already hung. What if I did this: I already have a roll of LMV, what if I cut it into rectangles and…
  • Nashtalon, 7 January 2006HALLELUJAH :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: The drywallers finished hanging and taping all the sheetrock today. All they have left is the finish coat on Monday. After they left,…
  • knightfly, 8 January 2006Sooo, are we to assume this means you're gonna forgive us for all the "bullying" ?? :wink: Your doors may well be what will eliminate even the dull thud you're getting…
  • Nashtalon, 8 January 2006What bullying???? I found nothing but tough love here :P Seriously, a BIG THANKS to everyone who helped me in this endeavour. If it wasn't for the great folks this site,…

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  • Nashtalon, 10 January 2006Thanks. And you're not being nosy. Costs of these projects are a very important aspect. However, remember costs are relative to location, size of the project, do you do…
  • Nashtalon, 12 January 2006Well...got the two ventilation units I created installed, one bringing in fresh air and the other exhaust. I'm putting them on rheostats to control the airflow. These…
  • Nashtalon, 12 January 2006Technically, the cable should be in a junction box. But given the whole unit will be encased in a silencer, I'm forgoing the box and walking on the wild side of danger…
  • sharward, 12 January 2006Building codes evolve (read: get more strict over time) for a reason. Oftentimes the reasons are buried in six-foot depth plots. Using your logic, we should just forego…
  • Nashtalon, 12 January 2006Keith, I was being facetious about "walking on the wildside of danger" and no I don't always ignore "building codes". Prior to becoming a songwriter, I used to be a…
  • knightfly, 13 January 2006soldered electrical connections - NOT LEGAL anywhere in the NEC I'm aware of. Tight wire nuts are actually better, because if a soldered joint ends up passing the amount…
  • Nashtalon, 13 January 2006Actually ...twisting conductors together for splices and then soldering them is still an acceptable method of making connections. In the NEC 110.14(B) this sentence…
  • Nashtalon, 15 January 2006Got the doors "beefed up" yesterday...and man they're pretty heavy. Took Steve's suggestion and filled in the paneled areas with mud and let it cure. Then I added 2…
  • Nashtalon, 21 January 2006Well the day everyone longs for when building something has finally come. I'm totally done...finito! And it all works so well, it's so cool! :P This wouldn't have been…
  • len-morgan, 22 January 2006Beautiful work!!! I hope to be at that stage real soon now. I started painting yesterday!!!!!! If I had to make one comment, it would be the hook and eye closer for your…
  • Nashtalon, 22 January 2006Thanks for the compliments, Len. Good for you on painting. At that stage, the light at the end of the tunnel is very bright!!!! I know exactly the excitement you're…
  • len-morgan, 22 January 2006I was really asking about the orange material you used. My wife has selected a similar color for the walls of the office/hallway area when you walk into the studio from…
  • Nashtalon, 22 January 2006I'll be honest, len, I really couldn't tell you what kind of material it is. It has a feel of nylon but it's breathable. It has some give to it and it stretches fairly…
  • Nashtalon, 24 January 2006What's wrong with the fabric section? Are you saying a man can't be a man if he peruses the fabric section? :P I did get quite a few odd looks from the old ladies…

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  • Nashtalon, 28 January 2006Well it didn't take long before word of mouth spread that I was thinking about renting my new space out to other bands. I'll be using it 2-3 time/week, so that leaves a…
  • sharward, 28 January 2006You can say it's not a business... But if you're charging money for it, it's a business. It may not be a profitable business, but it's still a business. Your biggest…
  • Nashtalon, 30 January 2006Checked with my attorney today...a simple lease is all that's needed. No permits, licenses, or intrusive governmental nonsense necessary :P He also said I really don't…
  • sharward, 30 January 2006Is your attorney familiar with the zoning or municipal code restrictions for your neighborhood? Your profile doesn't indicate where you live specifically... But just as…
  • Nashtalon, 30 January 2006Again, this is NOT a business, small, large, or otherwise. There will be no advertising, acceptance of outside "customers", and it's a private matter between me and a…
  • Nashtalon, 23 June 2006Hey, Haven't been here in a long while. I wanted to report the new studio is performing beyond expectations. Nary a complaint from any neighbor, or my woman, who likes…