Marc's Patio & Garage Studio

Sharward, Glad you liked the pics. :D Glad we agree (and I stand corrected) especially after I typed all the last post out 8) "Skyrocketing" taxes is one of the reasons why I've deciced to renovate my house for a studio and not buy another house with a more friendly and larger unfinished area to build. My property taxes would atleast double, and yours going up 300%... that sucks man. :shock: Now if all the info in my head would have "clicked" before I wrote that 1st statement about property tax skyrocketing... my mortgage broker told me to stay and renovate, not to move because of increase in property tax. :roll: Oh well atleast we can say we hashed the subject to the end. Thanks :D On the down side, I wonder if this discussion may sway others away from getting a permit for fear of the small (or large) property tax increase. Marc 208 days till due date of studio

guitardad72 wrote:

Glad we agree (and I stand corrected) especially after I typed all the last post out 8) "Skyrocketing" taxes is one of the reasons why I've deciced to renovate my house for a studio and not buy another house with a more friendly and larger unfinished area to build. My property taxes would atleast double, and yours going up 300%... that sucks man. :shock:

You probably made the right decision, because if I understand your state's (paraphrased) constitutional amendment correctly, the taxes on your house are "essentially" frozen. If you were to "move up" or even "move over," you'd pay through the nose as I am now.

Now if all the info in my head would have "clicked" before I wrote that 1st statement about property tax skyrocketing... my mortgage broker told me to stay and renovate, not to move because of increase in property tax. :roll: Oh well atleast we can say we hashed the subject to the end. Thanks :D

That's the great thing about this community -- we all learn from these "hashing outs." 8)

On the down side, I wonder if this discussion may sway others away from getting a permit for fear of the small (or large) property tax increase.

I was thinking the same thing... But when it comes right down to it, not getting a permit is breaking the law and evading taxes, neither of which I find admirable qualities in a person. There are also consequences of not getting a permit. Bottom line -- going through the permitting process is the right thing to do, in terms of safety, protecting your assets (e.g., in case of a fire, the insurance company may not pay the claim if the construction work was not permitted, which could be financially devastating), and being in compliance with the law, up to and including paying any required taxes and fees associated with the project. :) I have also personally never seen anyone say, "I got a permit for my xxxxxxx project, and in the end I wish I had done it illegally." I have, however, seen examples of "I didn't get a permit for my xxxxxxx project, and in the end I wish I had done it legally." Sure, there are examples of those who didn't get permits and don't regret it (yet), and those are sometimes the most difficult arguments to challenge. --Keith :mrgreen:

What a weekend :roll: should I babble... I flew to Toronto for my half brothers wedding, I barely know him, met less then 10 times. My 21 yr old half sister who I met once when she was 3 and our birth father who I met once, both from Calgary, were also there. The siblings and our birth father being together for the 1st time deserved a picture and I doubt the 4 of us will ever meet up like that again. :shock: Out of shear boredom I figured out how to view this forum on my cell phone. It’s not great viewing but it can be done. :twisted: PERMIT STUFF: My building permit got put on hold by the Health Department Inspection office. Got a letter and I’ve been talking with the inspector. I am on a septic tank. My architect (who I like less by the week) told me I needed no septic info supplied with permit... would make sense to me cause I am not adding a bedroom BUT I am adding square feet in a “specific way”. I just found out adding a bedroom is not the only thing affecting required size an existing septic system. Architect called the room storage on drawing, because he said a work room would involve more for code. Inspector says because plan is for one door into garage it can not be called storage, it is classified as a work room. There for I have to have my existing septic system certified and location noted on survey. Also the tax appraiser office had my 3 bedroom house listed as a 4 bedroom. Health inspector told me this and I was able to quickly correct mistake with appraiser office by a phone call and avoided having another appraisal. A 4 bedroom house with a septic for 3 bedrooms would not allow for any permitted addition. Hope I explained that correctly BUT my two ways out of this are 1. Spend a couple hundred dollars on a licensed septic contractor to certify existing septic. If septic system is actually smaller then it should be for current code (3 bedrooms, plus the total habitable square footage of house) then I will be screwed. I would need a new septic tank and drain field costing $5,000 to $10,000. 2. Remove the door from room to garage, room could be called storage again (I think). Then I would just have one door from patio to room. I’ve got to think about this thing… I already have a bunch of work I am going to do to get the end off my inspection, that I will then tear out and redo… my inner room won’t be on a permit. If I take the door out of permit drawing, then put one back in after final inspection it’s just one more thing. Or if I just take the door out and leave it out I save money on cost of door and leave more room for a corner bass trap BUT I’ll loose my loading door and will have to walk my equipment around or through house to get to the room from driveway or garage. I am really beginning to dislike my architect who still has not returned my phone call from last week. I am going to have a hard time not ripping into to him when he finally does call back. I’ll say why again… he convinced me to not include everything on permit app. :x Wish I would have.............................................. Marc 199 days till due date of studio

Sorry to hear about your permitting woes, Marc. :( I hope you can navigate out of the little hole you find yourself in. I've been there myself, so I can empathize. :roll: You can count on my moral support. 8) Perhaps you could you pay a small amount to a septic company to report to you the size and such of your septic system, and then commit to having it "certified" if and only if it everything is proper. It would seem to me that you wouldn't be "screwed" if it's not up to their standard... You could then go the route of removing the extra door from your plans, assuming that would in fact get you over the hump. Have you shared your ideas with the folks at the building department? Are they offering any assistance or guidance to the path of least resistance? --Keith :mrgreen:

Have you shared your ideas with the folks at the building department? Are they offering any assistance or guidance to the path of least resistance?

Yup, the health inspector is the one who gave me those two above options. Also told me exactly what I need to get the certification, warned against some septic guy's making a drawings on a napkins. Also gave an indication of price and advised to get quotes as some companies may over charge. (BTW getting as much money out of a client as possible, seems to be the way here in Florida... that's how I charge for private gigs :D ) Only thing is I have to be careful if I get rid of the door. I will have to conference with a building inspector to make the change on drawing, no architect required. But if this confernence is with one of the permit guys I already talked to (before the architect, when I thought entire studio walls would be in permit) then I might have explaining to do and or have a back up (and out) story. I do not like lieing, do not have to tell a lie to cover a lie... this is what is further agrivating me about architect.

Perhaps you could you pay a small amount to a septic company to report to you the size and such of your septic system,

I think that would almost be the same thing, not sure but that did spark a thought. I've had the tank pumped and receipt may show size of tank but not drain feild. If I dig for the reciept (not a fun task) OR ask neighbors who I'm positive have the same size tank, I could get the size info. Also it's close to time to get the tank pumped again, I may be over due so perhaps I can work out a deal of pumping and certification. I have neighbors who have had there system fail and replaced the whole thing... this is not something I want to deal with and am also afraid what a septic guy might tell me even though everything in the tank seems to be working fine. If I get tank pumped maybe they'll find the side cutter that broke of that drain snake I had. BTW when I returned that drain snake I got a full price refund, I bought it with a 20% off coupon... so I made $40 returning it. Gots to go. Marc

I got a hold of the architect and I held back laying into him as that would have been counter productive to the situation at hand, plus I was half awake. 8) The answer to my older question for him: What is Dead Load PSF for existing bottom chord of Truss? He said “Yes, yes, yes you’ll be fine adding up to 10 PSF” which came way to quickly out of his mouth. So I gave him details of truss system again and asked him to double check. This is a safety issue. He’ll give me final answer as we work on the other issue… Do I get a septic system certification or do I remove door from the plan? He said I do not want to attempt getting the certification. Chances are high that I will fail for existing code. Tank itself is questionable to whether or not it’s big enough for 3 bedroom house with habitable sqft of house included BUT there is a 99% chance I would fail on the size of my drain field. Meaning in order to bring system to existing code, I would have to expand existing drain field. It’s easy digging in the sand BUT this would require another permit, licensed septic contractor and cost thousands of dollars. SO, I am going to attempt removing the door from plan to get around this. Architect said "just put the door back in once you get the final inspection and CO" (certificate of occupancy). Whether or not I actually put the door in is something I will wait to decide. :roll: To review why I am doing this for my own benefit: On permit/plan room was called storage. Code would not allow for room to be called a storage room because of door to garage. By code room has to be called work room, making it a habitable space, which adds to habitable space of house and regardless of number of beds in house. Any addition to habitable space requires certification of existing septic. Why exactly removing the door makes it storage room and not a work room, I do not have a clue other then the room will now only have one exterior door... Making a judgment call on the ethics of this decision based on previous experience and stories of how code “things” happen here in Florida like: -Code inspector on phone told me not to get permit for my fence & build it on the outside wrong edge of utility easement. -Architect instantly comes up with (and more then once) “work around ideas” to code & feels fine with it. -The environmental health inspector who has a hold on my permit for this issue is the one who suggested removing the door. -Countless other stories I only have on “hear say”……… F it, I’m taking the door out. Downside to not having this door in room is: 1. Convenience of loading my equipment rack (which is on wheels) and guitars in and out through garage. The other loading option would be through house or walk gear around through my newly re-done pavers from driveway to patio. I spent a lot of time landscaping this area so why not use it. 2. If I decide to put door back in I will be redoing new work. 3. Loading in building materials into room means walking around, but once room is done who cares. Upsides of losing the door all together: 1. I reduce cost and build time by taking 2 doors out of picture. 2. Increase isolation by fewer doors to leak sound through. 3. I gain a corner for bass traps 4. I gain a lot of storage room within the garage. Pics to show why: This shows current layout of outer walls (in yellow, red are inner) which are in permit. Doors to garage could only really go in rear corner of room. Removing doors means I can then store stuff in garage in front of doors. My hallway option would be a large difference from what’s on drawing for permit. Not having the hallway would add a bunch of storage room into garage. Any input or opinions from any forum user who I’ve posted with would be cool. BUT I ask when posting an opinion on this please refrain from making any comments negatively about code. I believe code is a good thing and I admit I am being a hypocrite here by breaking it. It is disturbing me, wish I did not have to think about this and I’m hating the fact that I may be actually swaying another forum reader away from doing something the right way. If this was in any way a safety factor I would not be considering it. This door issue, really a work/office room verses storage room issue, is a pain in the A$$ with code and the local pros are swaying my decision. I understand a little more why my architect was so convincing about not having the room called a work/office or strudio room on drawing for permit… if I go that route my septic system needs upgrading and that seems to be ridiculous to not be grand father in. :roll: Marc :twisted: 198 days till due date of studio.

"Any input or opinions from any forum user who I’ve posted with would be cool. BUT I ask when posting an opinion on this please refrain from making any comments negatively about code. I believe code is a good thing and I admit I am being a hypocrite here by breaking it. It is disturbing me, wish I did not have to think about this and I’m hating the fact that I may be actually swaying another forum reader away from doing something the right way. If this was in any way a safety factor I would not be considering it." Now I would think a guy in your position would want a few attaboys for encouragment! I for one dont think your a hypocrite but then again Im about as left wing as you can get. I say if your gonna make an omlett you gotta break some eggs! I guess I can understand all the code/permit stuff in a residential area, they probably dont want some idiot like me errecting a pirate radio tower in the back yard or something but sometimes its just a little extreme. I guess what im saying is it sounds like your being too hard on yourself man. Im sure you think speed limits are a good thing to but if your late for a gig on that bad ass criuse ship?????? Come on! :lol: I cant remember the last time I played a venue with air conditioning you lucky son of a gun you! 8)

(not intending to violate the 'don't talk negative of codes' ground-rule...): Carpwftx makes some pretty good points..... I would only want to say that codes, or any other rules, laws, etc., can only account for forseen issues, but not for all unforseen circumstances that might arise. There are alot of codes dealing specifically with and/or are crucial for safety, and yet there are other codes that don't seem to be much, if at all, involved with that. Some are very important, while others may not be at all (or at least critically so). Since codes vary by community, especially by adjacent communities under virtually the same situations, shows that they are, at least sometimes, somewhat arbitrary. I mean, there are traffic laws that are very important, and others which often become almost silly. Everyone drives on the right side of the road because it is crucial to safety. Most people don't keep both hands on the wheel (one at '9 o'clock' and one at '3 o'clock'), since virtually all cars have responsive power steering nowadays (and don't critically require 2 hands for handling); yet the law still exists. Cops never pull people over for only having one hand on the wheel (heck, they don't even pull them over for being on the phone, or eating, or shaving even... yet these aren't silly rules). It is right not to blatantly ignore or break codes. But it can get obsessive to carry things to the nth degree in losing sleep over tiny tiny tiny things... So, somewhere there has got to be a middle ground, and a balance between what is very important and what may not be very important.

You are to be commended for thinking so seriously about this. Many in your position would not have done so and have regretted their (lack of) actions. That being said -- I can certainly understand your wanting to take the advice you're receiving from both the building department and your architect in removing the door. If you can live without it (and it seems that you can), then go for it. There's no sense triggering a recertification of your septic system if you don't have to, especially when you are virtually certain it will fail. However, I am curious specifically why the space isn't considered habitable under that condition. I'm sure the line is drawn somewhere, but it's hard for me to believe that's where it is. I will definitely go on record saying that I think it's wrong and unwise to intend to add a door after a final inspection and occupancy certificate. I realize it's not necessarily a safety issue, but that's cheating. It definitely says a lot about the ethics (or lack thereof) of your architect! You have the support of a lot of people on here -- even those who don't post. 8) --Keith :mrgreen:

Marc I feel your "pain" on the code issue. I will be putting up a post soon talking about my "true story" about a permit. I'm just waiting right now to have the "end results" of my story. It's amazing the "little things" that can cause you BIG problems down the road. For me, I keep thinking of the "what if" situation of a fire or something similar. "Will my insurance company pay" is the constant thought in my head... Anyway, hang in there guy..."there IS sunlight coming over the horizon", (and it WILL work out for you!) :wink:

Cool, Thanks for all the replies. Carpwftx,

I guess what I’m saying is it sounds like your being too hard on yourself man

Yup that would be the result of one of my character defaults that I am aware of, which I have to baby-sit. Trying to explain just a bit... I am obsessive compulsive and know it… I am allergic to drugs and alcohol, they F my life up. Haven’t had a drink or a drug in 9 years and I’ve been through “the program”, still use the "program". As a result I have to watch my self when I obsess over other things. Sometimes I let myself obsess, sometimes it becomes a real time management problem, sometimes it’s beneficial in “bettering myself” in a certain area, but sometimes in situations like this, I let myself go at it because it’s a matter of figuring out what’s right and what’s wrong. I have to live with the decision. Let’s say most decisions I made pre 9 years ago weren’t great ones, today doing the right thing (making the right decisions) for the right reasons is a priority in all parts of my life. Luftweg

Most people don't keep both hands on the wheel (one at '9 o'clock' and one at '3 o'clock'), since virtually all cars have responsive power steering nowadays (and don't critically require 2 hands for handling); yet the law still exists.

Love it, not sure if that is a law. I would rather be driving in traffic next to someone who is relaxed (and aware) rather then driving next to someone who has both hands grasped on the wheel ready to “jump” maybe to quickly to correct. sharward

However, I am curious specifically why the space isn't considered habitable under that condition. I'm sure the line is drawn somewhere, but it's hard for me to believe that's where it is.

Agreed, the language I got on the phone with Environmental Health Inspector was kind of confusing, he corrected himself a few times and then started using the word habitable which may not be the correct term/ or meaning for this situation. As I understand it, the question is more of defining the room’s use by how it is connected or not connected via interior doors to the rest of the house. On my plan it states room is “storage”. Since it has a door via the garage to the interior of house then it can not be called “storage”, it has to be called “work” according to code. However removing that interior door, leaving the room only accessible from the exterior of the house will define the room as “storage” (I hope). Why that does not also require septic certificate I’m not sure, but I guess it could be compared to a detached shed in the yard which would not have an inner door to house. In my case the “line” would further be blurred as the exterior door I have from "storage" room leads into my patio which by definition is part of the exterior of house. Thing is though my patio is screened, has 3 real walls and makes entry to the “storage room” very easy.

I will definitely go on record saying that I think it's wrong and unwise to intend to add a door after a final inspection and occupancy certificate. I realize it's not necessarily a safety issue, but that's cheating.

Sharward, putting a door in after final inspection is minor compared to what is going on here as a whole. The intent of the room I am building would be defined as office, work, studio or music room… I’m not sure what code would call it. BUT if I were to build it by code, I would have to upgrade my septic system and face more unknown code restrictions. This is why room is being called storage, and once I’ve got final inspection I convert the room to real use. Basically the only thing in permit is my addition of 2 exterior walls, 2 interior walls, the way these walls will be built and permission to knock down a wall. There is nothing to do with double sound isolation walls/ceiling in the drwaing for permit. Gee wiz, which I had city sewer service. :cry: One comment a building inspector made pre architect involvement, something like: “we are just concerned about exterior walls meeting code for wind sheer, properly built, etc…” camistan

For me, I keep thinking of the "what if" situation of a fire or something similar. "Will my insurance company pay" is the constant thought in my head...

RIGHT TO THE POINT MAN!!! That is the lurking concern of going down this path. I am fully aware of it and don’t forget to read Sharward’s thread: Permits, Codes, Licenses -- and WHY YOU SHOULD CARE! Big question for any homeowner on building a non-permitted addition, conversion or anything to there own property would be… is building the project worth risking the entire investment of your property in worst case scenario of uncovered fire or other damage. In my case the room is very important. It's part of earning my income to support myself, my son and wife who is expecting and she will quit her job once baby is born. Back to Carpwftx comments… YES this is worthy of obsessive compulsive behavior OR being too hard on yourself. I'm off to do house work, mow lawn, build fence and hopefully take a trip to building code office to speak with a plans examiner to remove door from my permit app drawing. 8) Marc 196 days till due date of studio

camistan wrote:

"there IS sunlight coming over the horizon"

Yup -- and it's not a raging brush fire! :lol:

the terrible thing about bureaucracy is that all rules can be interpreted differently depending on the whim of the person in charage ... literally it is the "rule of the desk" or really the person who happens to sit behind it. it isn't rule by law. it's like a mini-dicatorship, that's what makes it so frustrating. and the needs of artists and the needs of the state seldom go together. sometiimes there is no really good answer in this world. building with a permit has it's problems, as does building without. there's no sense in being a partisan on either side. the bottom line here Marc is that your livelihood depends on having this space, so you can't risk probelms with the officials. others who are more hobbyists can risk it perhaps. i think you made the right decision going legit with the project. why not just eliminate the extra door for now, if that will solve the problem. you can always put it in later?

Dan, Cool thanks for the words, being waiting for you to chime in :D as I'm sure you can relate having young children at home. Do better define:

i think you made the right decision going legit with the project

That would be "going as far in the direction of legit as I can."

the bottom line here Marc is that your livelihood depends on having this space

And well could I still make a living with out the room? Yes... but would I be able to stay at the top of my game? Most likely not. Room required for: - phone calls (to get the good paying gigs), - work on promo, - learn the songs required of a cover musician in Central Florida who plays conventions, weddings, B-day parties, clubs, pool side gigs, cruise ships, and others all requiring a large amounts of repetoire. Some songs I learn just for one gig, typically a wedding song and never play them again. - and to expand current jobs of "for hire at home studio work" in both video and audio. Now do I think I could get all that done with out a decent sound isolated room inside a house with a baby, a 4 year old and my wife being home 24/7... nope. Do I want to rent a space away from my house? nope. I'm leaving after I type this for Lowes & to go to building code office and attempt to remove the door from plan/drawing. Don't have a choice. I really think I'm just going to leave the door out for reasons I stated in previous post PLUS without that door I think I can turn the room around and end up with more sqft inside my double walls AND although only minor in the scope of entire project, I will leaning more towards as legit as I can be. Marc

OK, it’s done. No more door from “storage room” to garage in the drawing/plan. I slightly probed plans examiner as we made the change to drawing. The reasoning behind the “use of room” is almost exactly as I explained. Because room now only has one door to the exterior of house, it’ is separate from house, an exterior room and does not add to sqft of habitable space. Regarding the septic system size, recently the state of Florida took over the Environmental Health Department. Sqft is the only thing now that determines requirement for septic system size. It has nothing to do with number of bedrooms anymore. Another reason for keeping the whole project on course is I’ve already spent $3,711.95 to present. Majority of that is the electric upgrade/move (2300), architect (800) plus various tools, supplies to move things around, etc… I haven’t even paid for building permit yet nor purchased any building material directly related to studio “storage” room. The plans examiner I made the change with was the same guy I visited with twice previously, as well as spoke with on the phone, pre architect. He did not act like he remembered me, he just made the changes and was as helpful and polite as he could be. And the exciting part of going to Lowes... bought me a caulk gun :D... which I need to caulk around the fence posts I just put up. Each post has almost 180 punds of concrete (which I mixed by hand in wheel barrel :shock: ) to hold them in place, caulk goes where cement meets post and both amount of concrete and caulk is required by code in Florida for fence post. Marc Still 196 days till due date of studio

Excellent! 8) That makes sense. Although, if you added a bathroom and a meal preparation area, I'm betting they'd call it an "in-law" (guest house) and that would probably be considered habitable.

Man, states are sure different in this - Oregon says that having a CLOSET makes a room a bedroom; I asked, and I could theoretically add 57 bathrooms to my house with no septic change but if I were to put a "closet" in my garage, it'd be a "Bedroom" and the septic would then need to be rated for 4 BR instead of 3 - "bureaucrats - 3 a day, 6 in possession"... :roll:

I remember hearing that from my senior inspector at one point. He said it can't be a bedroom, and he did say "don't even think of putting a closet in there."

Guitardad wrote: Back to Carpwftx comments… YES this is worthy of obsessive compulsive behavior OR being too hard on yourself. Sorry man but I never said that. I said, "I dont think your a hypocrite." "I THINK your being too hard on yourself." You said: Big question for any homeowner on building a non-permitted addition, conversion or anything to there own property would be… is building the project worth risking the entire investment of your property in worst case scenario of uncovered fire or other damage? Then you misquoted me with the comment above. Its cool no problem man, but just so I dont come off being too insincitve, I will field that question as if it were asked of me. My wife and I have good jobs, 2 boys, a nice 4 bedroom home in the 150k's (thats solid middle class in my town) 2 trucks a boat a dog and a partridge in a pear tree. Would it be worth risking my entire investment to build an isolated space where I could field phone calls and learn guitar cover songs for my family income? Nope too risky for me. Besides that would effect the bottom line of the buisness, cut into my profits and the buisness needs (at this point) would'nt merit the expantion...... If I had a live drummer to learn songs as well, and/or the income was based on recording a live drummer the answer changes for me. My wife probably wouldnt have let me get past the plant removal step. She would have said, "get back to your office where you have been learning songs just fine without a studio, I will answer the phone for you. Give me the checkbook before I strangle you!" Would it be worth obessing over, or comtemplating breaking codes to get what you want? Hell yes! Who deosnt want a bad ass home studio? I once tried to tell my wife I needed to buy a Les Paul because my ESP gave me hand cramps. (she didnt go for it by the way) However that wasnt what I commented on. You have already made your decision/risk to make the omlett......my coment was in regards to you feeling bad about breaking the eggs to make that omlett. I think your studio is gonna kick ass and take names with or without a door and I cant wait to see it. On a side note I read in your thread about something you bought from Harbor frieght and knowone knew anything about it. We have one here the contractors call Harbor frieght "The one time store". Power tools work only 1 time. Dont get anything with power from there. All the hand tools and stuff are ok though.

Carpwftx Oops, :oops: I was more or less running with my train of thought when I wrote: “YES this is worthy of obsessive compulsive behavior OR being too hard on yourself”, Guess I should have said something like “being too hard on yourself” like Carpwftx said and how I related to that for me as “ obsessive compulsive behavior”. :D No worries. :mrgreen: And the other comment: “Big question for any homeowner on building a non-permitted addition, conversion or anything to there own property would be… is building the project worth risking the entire investment of your property in worst case scenario of uncovered fire or other damage?” I was voicing that general, it was not directed at you, but I am glad you took the time to respond to it. It’s interesting to see how another family, with almost same middle class spot in life MIGHT deal with the same problem of a self employed musician in house. You might feel a bit different if we changed shoes... my current work space has zero sound isolation to the rest of house and TV room which I just installed surround sound in. I’m glad you would obsess over the decision too. My wife is all with me on the room because it benefits her too. She won’t be able to hear me rehearse and I won’t disturb the house when everyone is asleep or awake. I should add this is not just about guitar, but also about vocal reahersal and making back trax for the songs. Also will be nice to have vocal rehearsals with band members. And the phone calls are sales calls with qualifying, closing & sometimes begging tactics used. AND then there actually working on my own music, and the stuff I get hired to produce. Bottom line I can't compete with Barney or the Wiggles in the next room while I work & I don't want to torture my wife and kids. :D Thanks for the comments on Harbor Freight. I figured I could not be the only one to have a problem with this company… wish I would have got at least one time use out of it, the tool broke on the 1st job. Marc 195 days till due date of studio

Your right about that man, I had to listen to Barney for almost 3 years! I still remember the words to a few songs. We got rid of the Barney tapes before the second one was born! As a result, the first one raised on Barney is a kind, sweet boy. The new one raised on big brothers Power Ranger tapes.............well not so sweet. :lol: Dude your golden! You have the green light and a plan, which is better than me, I have a green light and no plan!!! :)

My permit for studio is still on hold... it will now pass the Enviromental Health but the guy has been out on maternity leave for over a week. I've been unable to get someone from the Enviromental Health Department who might know what to do, on the phone. I'll be calling them again on Tuesday. Once it gets past them, 3 of 5 plan inspections will have been done This does not mean I've not been busy. I got a side project for those willing to read my babbling… I've been building a play fort/swing set in my back yard for my son. I got a permit on it since it's big at 10 feet tall. Thanks to this web site I was able to submit a bought playset plan with notes of how I am making the thing stronger. Cute thing: I had an option in the plan for sandbox or deck on lower level, I questioned him whether or not he wanted part of the 1st floor to be a sand box, he answered he’d rather it be more like a play house… then he said (3 ½ year old) “I got a question for you daddy… I’m a rock star, can I bring my instruments in my play house… I’m loud!” I answered “So you want soundproofing too?” I also told him I’m planning on mounting a guitar shape piece of wood in the open gable end of roof. Not sure how I'm going to do that yet, but I will make the attempt. I'll post a link to pics of this when I'm done as this is one of the things on my list to get done as my studio gets built and my deadline approaches. Marc 187 days till due date of studio

Sharweeeeet!!!! Sorry, couldn't resist. Really....I .....I... I..... tried :P Bryant

guitardad72 wrote:

Cute thing: I had an option in the plan for sandbox or deck on lower level, I questioned him whether or not he wanted part of the 1st floor to be a sand box, he answered he’d rather it be more like a play house… then he said (3 ½ year old) “I got a question for you daddy… I’m a rock star, can I bring my instruments in my play house… I’m loud!” I answered “So you want soundproofing too?”

:lol: Classic! :lol: Just put up some soundproofing foam and you'll be set! :P --Keith :mrgreen:

Bryant wrote:

Sharweeeeet!!!!

Yes? You called? :roll: Oops, sorry... I misunderstood. :oops: ;-) --Keith :mrgreen: