BUILDING STUDIO IN PALAYE BOTSWANA AFRICA

Hi I am sorry that I didnt put the pictures in, I asked some people that where looking for a small job to help with the demolition. I am glad that I found the forum before I had put the Ceiling, It this ceiling on the right track? I hope to get some plans so that I can start working on the studio and getting the right people to build it, becoz, I dont know any thing about carpentry so I will ask a local school to help mi out. But I am not worried about the cost of Demolition, I just want to do the right thing all the way. THanks Moemedi FOr Ruff Riddims

Hi John, I was wondering if we could start building and try so that we can try and put the roof. I think that we should put a 230mm wall in the areas where storeroom was so that we can be able support the roof there. then have a number of ceiling. I cannot find rock wool any where in Botswana, I have been trying to get orders and no one is getting back to me. So would working with fibreglass alone work? THanks MOemedi

Moemedi, is it possible to extend that existing roof all the way to the front of the control room like this cheers john

This is a three leaf ceiling... That's not good. That's the problem with corregated metal roofs. There have been several threads here where corregated metal was considered and then abandoned once the reality was known. One possibility would be to use the corregated metal as your uppermost leaf, but keep the area between upper and middle leaf very well vented. Maybe this would help to lessen the third leaf effect... :roll: :? In general, three leaf designs should be avoided if possible. Sometimes it gets difficult in buildings that are already built... But you're building this one now, so I would think you would want to avoid the third leaf problem altogether. --Keith :mrgreen:

hi John and Keith I think that it is possible, I was thinking that the roof of the control room would end at 3100mm as you have shown it. I have been talking to the builder and asking him if it would be possible to increase the hight of the control room room, so that the roof becomes higher than the existing room. But if the roof will work at 3100mm then it will be okay. i think that the roof will end at 3100mm at the same point where the exisiting roof ends. The control room roof would have to slope in a different direction, it will slope in the same way that you have drawn it. i hope I am making sense. The slope that you have drawn is the sane way that we have been thinking about sloping the roof. We could raise it higher in the control room so that there is more space for ceilings in the control room. The builder would have to build some more so that the panks and roof can be supported. Keith, so I would have to use a different roofing material like roofing tiles? would they have to be clay tiles or they could be metal tiles that have some rough tiles texture. thanks Moemedi

I would think clay tiles would be a closer match to your clay brick walls. But, they wouldn't be air tight, which would be a problem. I really don't know how to advise you here. I'll point a few others from the Construction forum to your thread here in the Design forum. --Keith :mrgreen:

Moemedi - this is how I'd approach your ceiling. It's a sketchup file so you may need to download the free program. cheers john

to the construction section of the forum Hi JOHN!!! WOW!! Looks really great. I have been moving around the hardware stores and they don’t seem to have RCs in any of them. Would using wooden purlines (battens) change the way thing will sound or work? They would be able to cut the battens to the size possibly similar to that of the RCs. Maybe you could supply mi with the measurements of the RCs that you would suggest using. I would like to make sure about the things that you have listed to use. Plaster, is this the actual ceiling board? I have attached a picture of what I thought you where referring to. Here they call it Rhino board, I am not sure it they call it Rhino as a product or they call it rhino because it’s a brand, like people calling all tooth paste colgate. The ext roof, does this refer to Chipboard? Or should block board be used. It looks like there are two layers of ext roof shown in the google sketch up, is that correct. On any board with a sizable thickness can be used? How should the booth roof be? Should it be the same just that it has to cover the area of the booth and that the slope will not be the same as in the control room due to size? How many down lights would be suitable for the area of the Control room and for the booth? I have already purchased 20 down lights some time back. I think 20 down lights will be too much for the area, could use them in other parts of the building. Would the electrical piping and cables run in between the RC and the insulation? There is no rock wool any where in Botswana, no hardware has it and it is proving to be very hard to get a hold of. Is fibreglass okay to use. I know rock would have been idea to use, but there is none in Botswana. Should I use fibreglass? When can I start working on the roof? And or should I wait for all the designs to be finished? And will this Thread move. Thanks MOemedi Ramogapi

yes Moemedi - rhino is plaster. That looks like it's only about 10mm so you will probably need two layers of it. Yes - that chipboard is OK for the upper layer and I'd use two layers there also. If you can't get RC just use timber battens as you suggested. I continue the roof all the way to the end of the building over the booth but you can't use downlights in the ceiling as it will break the seal and render the ceiling useless. You'll have to make some drop ceiling panels to mount the downlights. If you can't get rockwool then use fiberglass doubled. cheers john

John Sayers wrote:

yes Moemedi - rhino is plaster. That looks like it's only about 10mm so you will probably need two layers of it.

Only two? :roll:

John Sayers wrote:

Yes - that chipboard is OK for the upper layer and I'd use two layers there also.

Only two? :roll: Also, I think that chipboard is what we call "MDF." (Or is it? :?)

John Sayers wrote:

If you can't get RC just use timber battens as you suggested.

How come RC is even being discussed here at all? Isn't he doing separate walls and supporting a separate ceiling on his inner walls anyway? Isn't RC not needed/desired in that case? --Keith :mrgreen:

only 2?? Yes Keith - I'm trying to keep it simple and affordable. I see so much overbuilding around here - look at Left Bank - it is only two single layers of 16mm (3/4") drywall yet no one has complained about it not being soundproof. People around here seem to be confusing the number of layers of drywall with the size of their dicks :D You only need excessive drywall layers if you are setting up in the middle of an office block and you have other tenants above and below you and on the same floor. Moemedi doesn't have any of those problems. To keep it affordable I'm suggesting Moemedi continue the existing roof and have a double layer of chipboard on top and a double layer of drywall on battens underneath with insulation in between. see the skp file. cheers john

Unfortunately I can't install the Sketchup viewer... :( (Employer's laptop, not allowed to install it.) As far as the multiple layers of drywall, I'm just keeping in mind that Moemedi wrote in his initial post...

ruffridims wrote:

I have built the studio in my fathers land and extended to his existing building that operates a bar and has a loud jukebox. There are some houses near by the site where I am building the Studio.

So, it's not just outbound noise that I was looking out for him on... It's inbound noise from the bar and jukebox. I know that I tend to err on the side of overkill at times... I just didn't think this was one of them. --Keith :mrgreen:

Yeah - fair enough - he could disconnect that roof from the other roof by adding support at the rear for a new wall and only join the iron to continue the roof line. 2 layers should be enough for the adjacent houses. It's really up to Moemedi as to how much he can achieve. cheers john

Hi John, Keith and THe Johnlsayers.com Massive I think that I understand what needs to be done. I will have to take some days organising some more cash for this project. I was wondering it at the same time we could push for the Design and measurements for the control room so that When I get some money and go for the materials, I can try and organise a discount. SO that When I go for materials order all things once and try and get a very huge discount. We are just finishing the wall that was demolished to the end, I will bring some picture for veiwing on Monday. I hope to start working real real real soon. Every Night I dream about the Studio, When I am driving, I think I am about to Go totally Mad. Thanks FOr your support Keith, I will get you some stills from the Sketch Up for you to see what John was talking about. Moemedi

Hi Keith here are the stills of the roof that John had suggested. John due to the amount of things that I will have put ontop of the rafters, THe ceiling will be under 3100 as there will not be enough space for all the things to be on there. SO I think we will have to remove some bricks , about three courses so that it my increase the angle of the Ceiling. We are building a parate wall to devide the roof of the bar where the juke box is and between the booth and control room. See pictures. I hope to start working soon. Moemedi

Sorry, I think I had reached the limit of attaching files so I had to submit, but here are the images

Hi John CAn I plaster the wall in the control room and booth as the demolistion has made it untidy. Let mi know so that I can get that underway too. Moemedi

I wouldn't bother Moemedi for the moment. Those walls will all be covered by the internal treatment so you won't see them. Looking good mate. cheers john

Hi john Thanks, Atleast I save. THanks, I will post some pics later of everything

hi everyone, i am busy trying to organise some cash for the roof and talking to the hardwares to give mi a deal so that I can manage to finish every thing. So I have asked Andrew (the Builder) to try and finish the flooring for the seat of the building, while we wait for some money. and I have included some picures of what is happening around the rest of the building. Thanks MOemedi for Ruff riddims

Wow, great pictures! Thanks for keeping us up to date. 8) That's an interesting "courtyard" brick pattern... --Keith :mrgreen:

Hi every one I am have been quite looking for Money to try and get the roof and everything, equipment and finish off the studio. I have been talking to the banks and we must submit a proposal to them real soon and in a month from submission they may have the cash at hand for the studio and from all the materials but soon after that they will want some repayments. I was wondering John, Is it possible to have the plan for the control room and the Booth so that if they do agree we dont pause and work right and fast ? I may need to give you all the final dimensions of the room so that we are on the right track. Just let mi know if its possible. Thanks

Fine Moemedi - just give me all the new dimensions and I'll finish off that .skp file for you. cheers john

Hi John Thank you very much. I will get the dimensions for you later. THanks alot John. Moemedi

Hi John Here are the final measurements for the studio. The height of the sliding door area ( the space into the booth from the control room) is 2050mm The width of the sliding door area is 2000mm The height of the booth wall is 2450mm The height of the couch wall is 3120mm If you need any more measurements please do let mi know and I will get them as soon as possible. Thank you John, I am also trying to get funding from a competition to set up the studio, I will refer them to the site to see the development of the website. Thanks Moemedi