let's just call you "Silly Ro":p
Well, I started my "Kendale Inspired" CR build
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 6320.
no problem dude, then i'll call you "the flying dutch(ro)man" :-)
:roll: :lol: 8)
Got a question for everybody -
I test fired the new room today with most everything in place - some stuff (Steely Dan, Lennon) sounded FANTASTIC. Other stuff sounded OK, and a few things didn't sound very good at all. One thing I did notice is a way better , and much, much more even bass response. Anyway, my question is, did my room come out really good (very revealing), or am I still having problems? Like I said, the good stuff got way better, but other commercial stuff sounds worse.
Thanks in advance.
edit - After further listening, it seems like most anything pre mid-nineties sounds phenomanal, while all my newer stuff is about 50/50. Hmmmmmm.
Aloha,
Glad to hear there's been an improvement in some areas.
I had posted a question asking what others were listening to and using as reference cuts and here are some of the responses.
In addition to listening to several cuts that you know really well and doing some test mixes, perhaps you could try checking some of the above out in your room. I am still getting used to the new sound of my room, but am so enjoying the process. :wink: Aloha 8)Just wondering...what are YOU guys listening to for reference tracks/recordings? - drums - bass - acoustic guitars - acoustic pianos - male/female/group vocals - acoustic rock genre - r & b genre - outstanding mixes Bryan Giles wrote: Min Condition/Earth Wind & Fire - drums Maxwell (1st album) / Earth Wind & Fire / Amy Grant (80's) - bass Phil Keaggy / Pat Metheny - acoustic guitars Joe Sample / Classical - acoustic pianos Luther, EWF, Mint Condition, Brandy, Monica, and so on........ - male/female/group vocals John Mayer - acoustic rock genre Earth Wind & Fire / BabyFace Productions / ALL Old School / Eric Benet, etc...... - r & b genre Jon Gass / Mick Gauzouski / Steve Hodge / Bruce Swedien / Tony Mazerati / - outstanding mixes Steve (Knightfly) wrote: Several of the above-mentioned, plus a few from http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id ... age_id=93/ and almost anything from Donald Fagen... Steve kendale wrote: Thanks for your suggestions! Here's what I've been listening to... James Newton Howard & Friends (Sheffield Lab) The Sheffield Drum Record (Sheffield Lab) The Sheffield/Coustic Set-Up and Test Disc (Sheffield Lab) The Ultimate Demonstration Disc (Chesky Records) BabyFace (For the Cool in You) Bill Hullett (Two Lane Blacktop) Classic Tele Tone! Donald Fagen (The Nightfly, Kamakiriad) Eric Johnson (Ah Via Musicom, Venus Isle) Jackson Brown (I'm Alive) Nice Stratty rhythms The Corrs (Forgiven Not Forgotten) Tower of Power –Squib Cakes (Back to Oakland)
Front wall is almost done.....
Hey, your room is REALLY shaping up fast!
Now, you gotta tell us about that cloud. Looks like it's fairly light-weighted, is that accurate?
Another question...
I notice in your picture and others I've seen where you're using 2 monitors to capture 1 picture. Do they make a monitor that's wider to compensate for using 2?? Anybody know??
Congrats on the great progress :)
The cloud was made from two 48x78 pieces of 703 i have had forever and a day. I built the frame to the size of the 703 out of mdf trim. It weighs about 40 pounds I would guess. As far as the monitors, I have a dual head dvi video card. You can get a widescreen monitor, but you still wouldn't have quite as much real-estate, and not nearly the resolution - although widescreens are catching up FAST, BTW - Thanks for the compliments! :)Hey, your room is REALLY shaping up fast! Now, you gotta tell us about that cloud. Looks like it's fairly light-weighted, is that accurate? Another question... I notice in your picture and others I've seen where you're using 2 monitors to capture 1 picture. Do they make a monitor that's wider to compensate for using 2?? Anybody know?? Congrats on the great progress :)
Aloha,
Hey, that looks so good, let's have another look. Got any more pics? :wink:
Aloha 8)
Kendale -
That's way cool - I am totally photo illterate. In fact, it's frustrating, the room looks way better than the pictures - the pics make it seem tiny.......
Now I just need a console, or an argosy for my Ghost.
Aloha,
Man, that's looking real nice! :D How's it sounding?
Aloha 8)
In-Wall Rack is done -
Hey NL5
The studio is still looking great! I really like your "in-wall" rack mount assembly...Looks cool. I do have a question though...In the last picture it looks like you have a frame around the soffited speaker. When you construct a soffit I believe that the bezel and/or baffel assemblies are suppose to be flat and running perpendicular (?) with the front surface of the speaker (Can't tell if your baffle is flush with the speaker)
check Knightfly's comments about 3/4 of the way down in this post...
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4431
Just an observation...
Crap! I think I messed up my design a bit. Not sure what to do though......Hey NL5 The studio is still looking great! I really like your "in-wall" rack mount assembly...Looks cool. I do have a question though...In the last picture it looks like you have a frame around the soffited speaker. When you construct a soffit I believe that the bezel and/or baffel assemblies are suppose to be flat and running perpendicular (?) with the front surface of the speaker (Can't tell if your baffle is flush with the speaker) check Knightfly's comments about 3/4 of the way down in this post... http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4431 Just an observation...
maybe a pro here in the forum could comment this?
and also this: i read somwhere in here that the early reflection areas (also called first reflexions) should be of the same material to get a proper stereo image (beside the symmetry of course), sounds pursuable to me. in your case, you have your rackmounted gear on the right side exactly on a early reflexion point, from what i see on the pictures, right? do you have also a rack in your left wall? Pro's, how does this effect the sound in the CR?
cheers
Roman
Actually, the rack is far enough back to be a non issue. Also, due to space limitations, I really don't have a lot of choice on that one anyway. :) edit - the pic is somewhat misleading - sorry.and also this: i read somwhere in here that the early reflection areas (also called first reflexions) should be of the same material to get a proper stereo image (beside the symmetry of course), sounds pursuable to me. in your case, you have your rackmounted gear on the right side exactly on a early reflexion point, from what i see on the pictures, right? do you have also a rack in your left wall? Pro's, how does this effect the sound in the CR?
Can you show a top view of your soffit wall, showing exact relationship of the speaker's front baffle, your extended baffle, the picture molding around the speaker, and anything else that's in the immediate area? I'm looking for what sticks out, how much, etc -
Then another FRONT view sketch showing the soffit wall, speaker and molding and what spaces are between speaker box/front baffle, etc.... Steve
Here is a crappy pic.
The speaker baffle is flush with the trim pieces. - all of the white trim is 3/4" and setting on top of the soffit baffle (the birch lam in the pic). So, basically the birch is effectivly "counter sunk" 3/4" when it should be flush, correct? Will this have a signifigant effect? Somewhere between reading the soffit design specs, and my plan, I got the concept a bit screwed up.......
I will try and figure out a way to post a diagram if the pic is not enough info.
How thick is the birch, including whatever it's laminated to?
Do you really want to keep the white contrasting frames?
Can the speakers be moved back 3/4" on whatever they're sitting on?
What's the width of the gap between speaker box and white frame, and what (if anything) is that gap filled with?
If a woodchuck could, and a woodchuck would, how much :roll: Oh, never mind that last one :mrgreen:
How thick is the birch, including whatever it's laminated to? - It's 3/4 birch plywood
Do you really want to keep the white contrasting frames? no, but I need something as the hole for the speaker is kinda ugly - 1/8" thick trim maybe (like what is around the rack?
Can the speakers be moved back 3/4" on whatever they're sitting on? - YES!
What's the width of the gap between speaker box and white frame, and what (if anything) is that gap filled with? It's about 1/8" - except where the corners arounded on the speaker cab. - nothing in the gap.
I know I screwed up the design somewhat, so if there is anything I can do to improve the situation, that would be great - it already sounds LIGHTYEARS better than before. :)
edit - and BTW - the white trim will eventually be painted, I just haven't decided on a color yet........
Please list every power tool you own or have access to, so I can get a better idea of what your options are; thanks... Steve
Ummmm, crap - I can get most semi-common tools. I have a table saw, chop saw, various nail guns, drills, circular saw, dremel, router, sawz-all, jig saw. I can probably get something if it's not listed.
Thank you very much for the help!
Ever done rabbet joints? Maybe something like this... Steve
Aloha,
Hey Steve, that's pretty slick! I was wondering what it was that you were going to suggest.
Aloha 8)
Thanks Steve - That will be a bit of a challenge for me to do "after the fact", but I will give it a shot. :)