Marc's Patio & Garage Studio

Hi Marc, I don't know what a sub-aortic membrane is, but my first son also had a small hole in his heart, and we did the "go back in six months" thing, and happily it was gone ... i think this is a pretty common thing so try not to get too worried? My second son's ultrasound came back showing he had a small empty space in his brain, that was a lot of fun too :? ... that also went away ... Isn't having kids fun? luckily once they get older you can stop worrying about them --er-- right? I think I must be unusually morbid, but I don't think a day goes by without me worrying about something bad happening to one of them. I guess that comes with the territory of "having" something you love so much. Good luck and congrats on the studio progress! Dan

I always understood the finishing nails trick to be a temporary hold before using drywall screws to hold THAT layer. I don't understand how you can put a second layer of drywall up with the finishing nails in place ... i would at least put a few screws in that layer and then take out the nails before proceeding. well then you wouldn't even need the nails would you, if you were screwing the first layer. and then a nitpicky point, 1" drywall screws won't go thru 2 layers of drywall will it? i guess you're worried about going all the way thru the 1/4 board. tricky problem. a 1/4 inch board won't hold much unless you fully penetrate it i'm guessing. maybe i'm not getting it, but i wonder if you need to add an osb layer with cleats to hold it, then add your drywall ... ? but hard to say from this vantage point :)

Dan Fitzpatrick wrote:

I always understood the finishing nails trick to be a temporary hold before using drywall screws to hold THAT layer. I don't understand how you can put a second layer of drywall up with the finishing nails in place ...

Dan, 4d finish nails will just bend and roll into the drywall itself - works real well....... Rod

...and then the cleats do the job of final holding power. Yeah, totally superior to what I did. Darn you Rod for not publishing your book two years before! ;-) --Keith :mrgreen:

Hmmm???...About those finishing nails... I was planning on gluing the edges of my 1st layer of drywall & lay it against my outside wall sheathing. I was going to use a few screws on the edges to secure it to the sheathing (ONLY enough screws to hold it in place). The second layer of drywall would be done the same as the first except I was going to screw through the 2nd layer of drywall into the 1st layer of drywall on the edges only (NOT going into the sheathing). I was then going to add cleats in the stud cavity corner pressed against the drywall and nailed into the stud. The cleats were going to be the primary source of "holding" the drywall. (Of course caulking will be done on each drywall layer) Are you saying all that's needed is to nail the drywall to the studs with the nails at an angle going into the stud? Thanx

camistan wrote:

Are you saying all that's needed is to nail the drywall to the studs with the nails at an angle going into the stud?

Yup.......... that pretty much sums it up.......... Rod

No "cleats" then? :roll:

sharward wrote:

No "cleats" then? :roll:

Keith...... NO - I didn't say that......... :roll: you definately need cleats - it's just that the 4d finish nails are perfect for setting everything up, right through (and including) the caulking process That's why there are cleats in the figures in the book - they are required. Rod

OK, cool. :-) I don't have your book here at work... ;-) ...And I also wanted to clarify for others who may not (yet) have your book. :-) --Keith :mrgreen:

Hey guys, No progress. I am planning to respond to above comments but I've been pleasantly distracted and busy. Everything is fine. Marc

Hey guys, Been a while, thread is on the 2nd page so if anything else I'm bumping my thread for fun.... Thanks for the comments on my son. Everything seems to be fine with "that", we just await the 6 month visit. I still remain a little hesitant on spending money on myself, but then again this project is all about making the "at home" part of my job easier. I'm itching to get back it and get it done. Even if the acoustics are not done I'd like to be able to use the room. I have been using the room to hide in and make phone calls though :) but dang it's hot in there and currently there is no air or ventilation at all. What I referred to as a "pleasant distraction" in my last post is facebook. I've hooked up with a lot of long lost friends from Canada. Old band mates from my 20's, high school friends and most important the members of my high school rock band. We were friends through our entire school years and for the last 5 years of school "we believed we ROCKED!!!" Played a bunch of shows, made crappy & decent audio recordings, won awards, made a couple of videos, we were brothers and it all ended when we graduated from high school. We're even yapping on the phone now, I'm making prank/dare videos (with my son) and all those "good feelings and memories" are back. I even made the old band a web site. There is a country song from a few years ago with the line "tough young boys grow up to dads, who turn into big baby's again"... that's what's going on with me. No progress on the studio other then I've decided it will also double as a spare bedroom. Either I'll try to copy Sticks "hide-a-bed" design in the rear wall or the sofa in the back of room will fold out into a bed. I've promised my old band mate brothers a place to crash should they wish to visit me in Florida, they all live in Canada. Marc

I can't believe it's been almost 6 months since I've posted to this thread. I have not done any work toward completing my studio since last post. It's made a great place to store some stuff and hide Xmas presents. Happy New Year to everyone, new and old on the forum!!! From my blog:

"He who breaks a resolution is a weakling; He who makes one is a fool." F. M. Knowles "Your Merry Christmas may depend on what others do for you. But your Happy New Year depends on what you do for others." Anonymous "Every new year people make resolutions to change aspects of themselves they believe are negative. A majority of people revert back to how they were before and feel like failures. This year I challenge you to a new resolution. I challenge you to just be yourself." Aisha Elderwyn

Let's see... Update on my son... all is good with him health wise. He's 5 now. Wife is back at work we now have full health family coverage via Blue Cross Blue Shield. I had hoped to have my studio done before my daughter was born, she is now 1 year old. Life has changed. Having two young kids does not equal twice the work... it feels more like 4 times the work because there is less (or no) break time attending to 2 kids. Gigs are up and down... remember I gig for a living. I've got a new title: I am only Musician/Entertainer (I am aware of) that simultaneously interacts with a real and a live online audience. I live webcast every gig via Stickam.com When possible I try to connect the venue and online audience Best webcast so far I got 60,512 hits... and I'm just a "Blue Collar Cover Musician" playing mostly small clubs. To view go to my website http://www.marcdobson.com or you can keep up with my Gig & News babble on my Blog: http://marcrocs.blogspot.com It's a new year. January is slow as far as bookings go so I'm hoping to get some work done on the studio this month. Money, time, energy and inspiration have all factors to why I've not been working on the studio. :roll: Marc

AND.... Almost forgot, when I have my "I finally moved into the dang Studio Party" you will all be invited to a live webcast of the party with text chat. I'll have 3 camera's in the room. Who knows who will actually show up. We'll be jamming, the audio will be a good 44k mono broadcast (flash live stream limit is 44k) and you can harass me via text messages as I sing. I can give you a virtual tour with the camera's panning and zooming. The audio studio will also be a live webcast/broadcast studio for me. Marc

Marc, Cool website. Looking forward to more progress on your studio including updates, pics, etc.

Don't stop now, Marc! Keep going. I didn't help you stucco a storage room! :lol: Even I've gotten bitten by the studio building bug again, so I need to yank you back into the misery -- er, uh, I mean, pleasure -- of working on the studio again. 8) --Keith :mrgreen:

Keith I thought I had email notifications set up for this thread, I did not get not an email notification of your post. Think I got it set now. Ya work is coming... maybe even tomorrow. I got drywall and fasteners in the garage and a wall to beef up. Just need motivation and get up when my alarm clock goes off. :lol: I've been a night hawk lately. Just for the heck of it I'll promise to take a picture of what ever work I do or not get done... just because I know how much some of us like pictures of unfinished walls and construction materials being worked on by amateur and novice builders. :D Marc

Real Progress finally, I know we've all seen stud bay "beef" drywall before but this pics is important because it's the 1st pic of work I've posted since June. :lol: Note Rod's suggested method of using 4d nails in to temp hold in place the drywall is the BOMB!!! I used a 1/4" shim to keep drywall off the floor plate and my knee to hold drywall in place. Thumb or finger holds the nail with pressure against edge of drywall. Pretty easy. I got one layer in the stud bays. Next is prepping the next layer to go in with Green Glue. Then I'm taking down ceiling and building my air duct silencer. Marc

More work done. Picture below shows 2nd layer of drywall beef almost complete. Still have to mud and tape couple spots, I recycled drywall that I removed. On this layer I used one full tube of Green Glue. When I get to putting drywall back up on the ceiling I'm going to finish this beef layer. Did not want to crack open the tub of drywall mud for this small job. I ran out of drywall pieces for the stud bay to the very right. That bay is only 5" wide and there is an empty 1/2 stud bay beside it which will give me triple and quad leaf grief... So I'm putting 4 layers of drywall in the small section and beefing up the end 2x4 of new wall attached with drywall to help combat the triple and quad leaf effects expected at the corner. I'm going with 6 degree side walls for the inner wall so I have room to beef up the outer wall corner. Also at the top of photo you can see some of the ceiling drywall is now down. It was fun taking down a 4x8 5/8" piece of drywall all by myself. I used two ladders and the top plate of this beefed up wall to jiggle and jangle the drywall down with out injury to myself or damaging the drywall. NOTE that drywall I took down never saw any mud, screws were still exposed. Now I can install my silencers and air ducts and run all the electric wire I need. I'm working on my silencer box plan based on several found here on the forum and a PDF Rod uploaded that I linked in this thread a few pages back. Well... I can still babble after 6 months off the forum... Marc :twisted:

Yay! Progress!!!! 8) Stay motivated, my friend! Just think -- it's not miserably hot outside, so this is a good time to do be doing this kind of work! :) --Keith :mrgreen:

QUESTION OR (OPINIONS PLEASE) I am designing my silencer for air duct. Silencers are going in attic space above room. Where my intake silencer is going the attic height is tight. I'm thinking about placing one side of my silencer (the bottom) directly against outer ceiling drywall. The silencer box would then be fixed in between the ceiling joists (or lower chord). This would benefit triple and quad leaf effects. I'd be able to make the box 22" wide and 15" high (outside measurements) this way. I'm using 3/4" plywood and hopefully 1" duct board which I've yet to locate. The box can only be 22" wide because the truss top chords and webs are in the way. My 1st thought was to rest the box on braces attached to bottom chord of truss but I could only get the box 11.5" high that way. I'm using 6" duct. I need to double size of that airway path inside the box. The extra 3.5" hight will help a lot. I think I'm on the right track with this, just want some input. I'll have to assemble part of the box in place. Marc

Got some work done. Made a trip to a insulation supplier for some rock wool. Cheap!!! $10 for 74 sqft of 1 1/2" thick 2' x 4' peices. My neighbor who is an AC contractor got me 2, 4'x10' sheets of 1" thick duct by Owens Corning. This is for my silencer boxes. See pic also showing off my new bike. (Got my son a $35 bike for Xmas, decided to get my self a bike, needed baby ride on, helmets for all and $35 turned in almost $600 on biking, still have to buy wife bike BUT... we go biking every day so every dollar was worth it.) Last night I stuffed the space in between my exterior door jam and 2x4 studs with rock wool. It took hours to stuff that crack. Talked to Sharward on the phone for a while as stuffed. The I was live on Webcam for a while in a chat room to break the boredom. I might do that again as I work. It'll be under my "BE" account on Stickam, Marc ŖΘČŞ ߀ http://www.stickam.com/profile/marcrocs2 (Not my main profile Marc ŖΘČŞ which is embedded live onto my website) Incredibly boring to watch someone work real time, but I also sometimes screen shot sketchup as I design. Marc

the 6" duct is < 30sq in so even if you lose the 3.5" you'll still have (assuming inside about 20"x9.5") about 190sq in... so you've got well over 4x the area of duct. the bigger question is the opening through the ceiling - you don't want to reduce the area down too much to avoid increasing the entry velocity...

Gulfo, THANKS. Think I'm going to post a diagram tonight of my flex duct, to silencer, to duct board to register plan.... Got some more work done over the past few days. I went over every uneven spot in my outer walls where old and new construction met and stuffed with spaces rock wool, then backer rod and caulk. Caulked my door. Part of my 1st layer outer ceiling is still up so I caulked what I could. This will save me some time when I rent the drywall lift again to finish the 1st layer and put the 2nd layer up with green glue up. I ran 2 wires from electric box to room. Gonna have the lights on one circuit and the room power on it's own circuit. Installed a temporary outlet for power as I'm taking out previously installed power soon. Hopefully I'll start building the silencer boxes tomorrow morning. Marc

I did not get around to posting diagram of my silencer plan and started to build, see pic. Air enters box via 6" flex duct and collar. The air path in box is great then twice the 6" duct size (8" x 10" for most of the path, but 6" x 10" around the end of baffles). I had to build the box small enough to get it into my attic so I was limited on width. I could assemble the box in the attic but that would be a real PITA. Air will exit the box via bottom through more duct board passing through the outer ceiling. Then travel 4' between 2x6 ceiling joists 16 O.C. Finally air will pass through inner leaf through a 12x8 or other size register I've yet to buy. Box is 3/4" plywood. Used 4d 1 1/"2 nails and construction adhesive on all seems. Additional I'm going to caulk all seems and heavy glue when the top goes on. I cut the duct board to fit exact. Might be over kill but I pulled all the duct board out and duct taped (real metal duct tape) all the edges together in order to keep the vapor barrier constant. Just hope the tape does not come off when I slide the duct box back in. I'm going to use construction adhesive to adhere duct board to plywood all around. I've made sure all of the inside face is the black cloth stuff. I even cut out pieces to fit at the end off the baffles peeling enough fiberglass insulation off so that I can glue the cloth over it in order to not expose fiberglass to air path. Might be over kill but I don't want fiberglass particles floating in my air. I wore long sleeve shirt and a dusk mask while cutting. My garage ended up with a layer of fine fiberglass dust I was going to borrow my neighbors duct board V cutter but ended up just using my knife to cut corners out carefully. I measured to my corner and cut at 3/4" past and before my mark. I cut at an angle to take out a V shape being careful to not cut through the backing. After a couple passes with the board slightly bent out the V chunks came out. My 1st try gave me a near perfect 90 degree corner so I kept on. Neighbor who is AC contractor took a look today and "passed" me :D Marc

slick duct work. cut to fit and all. This stuff is good to see for me because in a couple of years I may work on a larger studio project. one can hope can't he? great work marc.