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Studio Design for a 28' by 22' garage

Started by mikeklooster on 24 March 2005. 296 replies, 2005–2007. In the Library under Build diaries. Key posts in this thread.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 3463.

knightfly
Sorry, Mike I meant from the OUTSIDE... Steve
mikeklooster
Sorry Steve, Ill snap those tomorrow. As I'm planning my eave seal, I'm begining to look at whats next. I scrolled through Keiths post checking out his beef up, but hes doing so many layers, I dont think his methods really apply to me much. Now just to remind all, I am not beefing old garage stucco, for it is thick enough, but the 4' extension is new style stucco with the foam insulation and less stucco. Its obviously lighter than the old stuff. My last conversation with steve it was concluded I should do 1 layer beefup, I think... So I guess Id like some feedback there once more. Should i do 2? If I do 2 should I add green glue? Can I use green glue on the paper and do 1 layer? Has there been a "best" attaching plan through all the deliberation on keiths post?(I know Im lazy, but Ill read up, just fishing for some cliff notes until I can get through it all.) The extention borders the control room front, and port of the iso booth/entry way. Im just trying to keep it close to the rest of the garage, I guess. Oh, I seem to remember reading that drywall should ONLY touch paper, not metal or stucco. The bottom of my 4' extention has flashing over the paper. Its about 2" high. Do I need to cover this metal with more paper before letting beef up drywall go in, so it doesnt touch the bare metal?
sharward
If you're only going to use one layer, and since the area isn't too large, perhaps you should consider using one of these products (all similar/competing, just different names):It's extremely moisture tolerant -- it's made for bathtub surrounds, tile countertops and backsplashes, etc. It's more expensive and heavier than drywall, but it might be a good fit. Regarding the product...
knightfly wrote:
one layer of that should be approximately equivalent to maybe 1-1/2 thicknesses of 5/8 gypsum. (source)
Veto at will. ;-)
mikeklooster
If you're only going to use one layer, and since the area isn't too large, perhaps you should consider using one of these products (all similar/competing, just different names):etc....
Ya that sounds fine, got any ideas which one ? I'm assuming one layer is much simpler to add than multiple layers, so would this be better, cheaper and/or easier than 2 layers added? Best method? The flashing issue is a thin strip at the bottom that I know can be covered. I remember little tid bits of stuff that ring in my head. I just need to know if the drywall ( or heavier substitute) should or can come in direct contact with metal. I just seem to remember reading that metal and concrete are no-no's, and Im to literal to understand if this pertains to thin strips too. using Beat detective on a crap drummer , not to klik and at a estimated tempo with altering straight sixteenth feel and shuffled sixteenth feel, on a shitty song, is funner than reading some of this monotinous, boring crap. AND THERES ALWAYS MORE!!!!! gotta love it..
sharward
Coke, Pepsi, RC -- they're all colas under different names. Take your pick. Your friendly neighborhood building supply or brother-in-law in the construction biz can probably only get their hands on one of those brands, so go with whatever you can find. I'm pretty sure there's no problem putting the cementeous fiber board (i.e., those three products linked above) against paper and a metal flashing. I don't think this stuff will be cheaper than drywall -- quite the opposite. But, I think it's money well spent. --Keith :mrgreen:
mikeklooster
cool, i think I will do that then. that is, use one of these 1 1/2 times as heavy, waterproof boards. But just to clear my mind, was I crazy about the metal concern with normal drywall true? Is the wonder boards better than 2 layers?
sharward
I don't think it's better than 2 layers iso-wise. Please don't hate me if you don't enjoy the experience -- them things are very heavy! :?
knightfly
First, sheet rock is ALREADY covered with paper; not sure where you heard that... Second, if you use the cement board for beef up against stucco, I would fill any areas around each perimeter that are larger than about 1/8" with the concrete version of Fixall - this will maintain similar mass around edges of the inserts. http://www.azpartsmaster.com/shopazp/Co ... +(CBP33180).html Look for this at your local Homely Despot, it's available usually in anything from a 4 pound box to 25 pound bags, probably even 100 pounders if you're insane :?
mikeklooster
OK I looked at wonderboard and hardibacker and I liked hardibacker because it seems easier to work with. Id use 1/2" and one layer? 1/2" is the thickest, and one layer will do I hope. So, can I cut this like drywall, or at least easier than wonderboard? thats why I think its easier, so if im wrong? I would glue(?) it to the paper and then caulk edges (do cement fix all like steve said for hardibacker?) Then place 1x2 cleats in place, screw them in with 1.5" screws straight(?) into stud, or angled. Caulk new edges and done(?) soung good what glue? Should I green glue 2 pieces together beforehand and do this same procedure for 2 layers? If I have some gaps between stucco,flashing/cement foundation, and what would be an adequate sealant for those gaps. Indoor/outdoor silicone or something different?
len-morgan
Be sure and read the warnings on Hardiboard. If I'm not mistaken, if you cut or drill it, the dust is a health hazzard. You'll have to wear eye protection and a respirator. len
mikeklooster
wow that dont sound easy at all.. well, is it easy to cut wonderboard or durrock(theusg stuff, sorry bad spelling) or is green sheetrock ok to use on this 1 and1/2 inch strip of metal flashing that is exposed. I still dont know if this is a big concern or if covering with a thin strip of paper wouldnt just do it or nail/screw a piece of PT 2x4. over strip and start dryall beef up from there up if this exposed metal is bad, is it hurting the studs?
sharward
Hey Mike -- come out, come out, wherever you are! Hey, I just noticed on your profile that you just celebrated one year on the forum! Happy Anniversary! Now get that darned studio of yours going! :lol: --Keith :mrgreen:
sharward
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sharward
I just heard from Mike -- he's been flying under the radar for a while, but hopefully he'll pop onto this thread and post something soon! :)
mikeklooster
Hello all, Sorry I've been away, but I am here again. And like a relative after you win the lottery, I want something. I have been searching for my insulation and R-13 isnt available in unfaced around here so far. Can I use R-19 on a 2x4 walls. Keep in mind I have a 12" airspace with 2x6(new) on one side and 2x4(outer wall) on the other. The unfaced is for the unvented conditions.
sharward
I would think that unfaced R-13 is available, just that you're not looking hard enough. ;-) Not sure if R-19 would be too compressed or not. Is AMS in Sacramento too far for you?
Dan Fitzpatrick
I noticed that the home depot pro in my area has a lot more variety of insulation than my regular home depot -- particularly that they have more unfaced stuff. but i don't remember the specifics. so what is that, 12 inches of insulation in a 10 inch airspace, or what are the specifics?
mikeklooster
Ok shurewood your right. I found it at AMS, but then I just found some in Modesto at Goldstar insulation. For much cheaper. Hi Dan.
Dan Fitzpatrick
Hi Mike, good to see you ... i was worried you might have given up :lol: By the way i was watching a Modern Marvels on the Chunnel and they used that spray-on concrete in part of the tunnel to reinforce it temporarily. i think it even had a name like spray-crete or something. anyway, i thought of you.
sharward
mikeklooster wrote:
Ok shurewood . . .
Folks, should I let that go? Or should I get even with mikekluelesster? :twisted:
sharward
Hey, oldtimers -- remember this guy? Well, I had the pleasure of hanging with Mike yesterday backstage (and even onstage! Woo-hoo! :twisted:) as he performed with Smash Mouth (one of the many "lives" he lives) right here in Sacramento, just four miles from my house! 8) I took lots of pictures, but here are some highlights:I also captured three full-length videos...In spite of the fact that Mike's thread pretty much died, he does now have a working studio, although some finishing touches are still needed (door seals, final hook-up of the mini-split air conditioner system, etc.). He intends to update his thread "one of these days," but he's a pretty busy guy, so don't hold your breath! :lol: Maybe he's just nervous about posting updates because he knows I'll lecture him about building codes... :roll: :P :lol: :twisted: --Keith :mrgreen: