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Drum Room Construction

Started by beeros05 on 2 February 2012. 135 replies, 2012–2022. In the Library under Build diaries. Key posts in this thread.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 17363.

beeros05
Soundman2020 wrote:
Very nice Spiros! Finally, a YouTube video about isolating a room, that is correct and truthful about the acoustics.
Thanx !!! :) :) :)
Soundman2020 wrote:
There's a couple of problems with the soundtrack on your video, though: at 5:33 there's a sudden surge in the background music that drowns out your voice, at 5:43 it sounds like have the sound from a porn movie(!), at 6:15 there's the sound of someone knocking loudly on a door, and at 6:24 and 6:44 there's a very loud motorbike that drowns your voice. In general, maybe you could turn down the backing music a bit, as it overwhelms your voice in most of the video, and is distracting: It's great music, but the level is a bit high for background.
Stuart these are sound effects… I have synced some effects as noises examples. @5.33 it is an example of loud music (from our neighbour) @5.43 its sound effect, yes from porn and actually, it is the intro of one of my bands songs (red light mistress) as an example of airborne noise (again from our neighbour that has a female visitor). The hammer sound is the example of structural noise as well as the motorbike sound. I know it covers my voice but the subtitles are still there ;) All these were made on purpose for a realistic as well as humoristic approach about noises.[/quote]
Soundman2020 wrote:
I was thinking that you could add a few diagrams to illustrate what you are talking about with MSM and several of the other concepts, as well as some photos of your original (failed) construction, then also of the final one that worked. Maybe also pictures of the actual sound level readings from your meter, inside and outside, to show the real results. I know this is just part 1, and you will show that in the other parts, but it make make it more interesting to have some images in the introduction, so your viewers can get an idea of what you will be detailing in the rest of the series.
All these will be done on Part 2 and 3. Part 2 will be the wrong construction and Part 3 the right construction. Somewhere there I will fit the diagrams and pictures as well.
Soundman2020 wrote:
Thanks for listing the forum in the credits! Feel free to put a link in there to your thread as well: that might be very interesting for your viewers. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest!
It was the least I could do…I will put links as soon as possible. Generally I am very very busy so the next videos will take some time…not a lot but I want to be relaxed. The subtitles are also a pain in the ass...
SmartGear
Hi All, I just registered on the forum, and for some reason the first topic I found was this. After reading through the whole thing all I can say is WOW! Beeros05, it seems you had a rough ride to get where you are now with your room, but the result speaks for itself! Great stuff. Congrats! And to see all the effort from the community to help reassured me that there is still hope out there in the galaxy... :D I'm very happy to have found this thread (and forum), since I am just about to start building my DIY recording studio... but that's an other story (and an other topic - most probably) :lol: All in all... Have fun in your room, all the best! SmartGear
Ray Growl
Great info here, congrats to the OP and a BIG thank you for all the guys helping out. This reference worth a lot of money in specialised consultancy that is now available to every one. Man, we have the internet and the the good people at the other end to prevent us to make stupid things based on "common sense" and sales pitches. :D Ray
AntonG
I can't believe that you guys are having a full on metal gig in your room! That's incredible! Congratulations on what you achieved, this is an amazing thread. Also the advice here is so unbelievably impressive.
RKML
Quick question about this thread (hopefully Stuart can swing in and answer): If you’re REW testing a small live drum room as opposed to a control room, do you simply put one speaker in the drum kit position. If so, which direction do you point it in... and where do you put the mic?
Soundman2020
It would be better to ask that in your own thread, probably... But the simple answer is: it depends what aspect you are trying to look at! For example, if you want a good idea of how the low end will perform in that room, then you would probably want the speaker on the floor in one corner of the room, and the mic up near the ceiling in the diagonally opposite corner of the room... If you wanted to judge how the drums will sound when tracking, then set up the speaker on the drum throne, and put the mic in locations where you would typically have mics while tracking. etc. It's a live room, so there is no one single "correct" location for the speaker and mic. Neither is there one single "correct" way of treating the room. - Stuart -
civvie
Soundman2020, please feel free to delete this post. I just wanted to say that it's absolutely INCREDIBLE the length and depth you go to to help random strangers build quality studios. It really blows my mind. I learn so much and almost never have to post anything, because it's all been done before. Thank you!!!
Soundman2020
civvie wrote:
Soundman2020, ... I just wanted to say that it's absolutely INCREDIBLE the length and depth you go to to help random strangers build quality studios. It really blows my mind. I learn so much and almost never have to post anything, because it's all been done before. Thank you!!!
:oops: :thu: Thank you so much for the kind words! It's comments like yours that make the effort worthwhile. - Stuart -
Dr.Tarr
Soundman, New Joiner - and yes location is on profile :D - Just echoing what civvie posted. Found this thread mega-super-amazingly helpful and the time, effort and knowledge you and others - xSpace etal spent and shared is appreciated and used. Especially since I am concrete floor and stud walls right now! -d(DrumRoom)/dT- ps. Spiros - Συγχαρητήρια - πολύ καλά. :shot:
Avery
beeros05 wrote:
Soundman2020 wrote:
I'm just wondering: What is the purpose of this build?
I wanted to make a drumroom basically in order to play and not to disturb. I went to several acoustic companies but they were asking 10-15.000€. I couldn't afford that. So one day i went to the Modern Music School of Athens and the owner introduced me to the guy that made the isolation in the Music School. He told me that he has made constructions like these even in 1st, 2nd floor apartments and the bands were playing 24/7. His offer was 6.000€ guaranteed results.
Soundman2020 wrote:
For example, they are building your walls with three "leaves" in them (in other words: drywall, an air gap, more drywall, another air gap, and more drywall).
No it is not like that. Lets say i have the "naked" concrete room. There is air gap from the concrete walls and then frame-rockwool-2 ply gypsum board. Then framing again rockwool and 2 ply gypsum board again. The 3d single ply of gypsum board you see exists only in the exterior side where you can also see the frames for the door placement.
Soundman2020 wrote:
Also, that floor is not doing anything for you: It is not isolating the room at all, and will act as a resonator. It will amplify some low-frequency sounds, and will absorb others. The floor is a waste of money: it is doing nothing to help you, acoustically, and could end up making the room sound bad.
Why is that? I mean all the floors a have seen is a frame over anti-vibrating rubbers rockwool inside and then plywood
Soundman2020 wrote:
Please keep on posting the photos of what they are doing, as it will be interesting to see how they are going to treat them room, how they are going to deal with doors/windows, what they plan to do for the HVAC system (heating, ventilation and air conditioning), and what they plan to do for the electrical system.
Of course i will. The room has no windows. the doors will be aluminum with triplex glass, 2 of them.
Soundman2020 wrote:
And when the room is done, please use the free REW program to test the acoustics, and see how it all works out: That will be the real test.
I have no idea of using these kinds of programs Thank you very much Spiros
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