another 20 x 20 x 10 garage design. would this work?

Thanks,You put me on the right track......all credit due. On final touches(paint, wood stain, etc...) I'm think of using a color sceme that I saw on one of Digidesign's DVD promos for their control surfaces. It's branded into my brain. Biege and Burgundy colors. Well, the foyer near the bathroom is the entrance from inside the house(family only). This is for a limited number of other people. (maybe like 5 at most :lol: ). If you look at the bottom wall, behind it from left to right is a washroom and a large walk-in closet. Clients only will enter from outside through the door on the right wall of the control room. But yes as always you're right again, because I did have a door there in one of the old drawings. I was thinking of placing the keyboard rack there in the studio is it will fit. I really want to keep the control room neat and clutter free 8) . As for the control room ceiling, my maybe something like the photos below. One is kinda' basic and the other one with the three panels-------I saw something like this in MIX or RECORDING magazines and thought about using it!!!!??? ANu thoughts on the studio and Vocal booth ceilings?? I have 9.5 ft to work with. I will keep this design but simply make the rooms larger when I move to a commerical office

I'd go with the clouds, make them with a plywood backing and insulation on the bottom covered by cloth. Angle them to break up the floor/ceiling parallel. cheers john

While you're at it, I'd try the control room WITHOUT the carpet first - you can always add it later, but I doubt if you'll want to. Also, check the speaker forum on soffiting Mackies - as in "No Way, Jose..." Steve

Clouds it is............... 8) 8) hope it doesn't rain!! :o I was trying to find the magazine that I seen this design in, but no luck. We still have a few boxes to unpack. and Knightyfly, I know about the carpet, just forgot to change it in the design photo. I'm trying to catch the laminate wood flooring on clearance (2nd job at Lowe's). Any of you ever try vinyl tile? and what about commerical carpet(it's thin)???? Thanks guys, you really helped me out big time. Like a "Stamp Of Approval" :!:

Thin carpet will just let you get a little higher in frequency before it sucks out the "shimmer" - putting it back with the high EQ will just add noise and phase problems. If by some rare chance anything you record has too many highs, you can turn DOWN the high EQ and do much less damage. Assuming the same substrate, almost any reflective surface is fine for floors. If you find something inexpensive that you like (except carpet :=) whether it's Pergo, vinyl, painted concrete, clear plexiglas, etc, go for it. If you can tell the difference between species of woods (other than balsa, for example) I've got some $5000 speaker cables to sell you... Steve

I've got some $5000 speaker cables to sell you

:lol: :lol: :lol: is that each or a pair? BTW if you do need carpet make sure it's not Synthetic, i.e. nylon as synthetic causes static electricity buildup that can create a jolt that will screw your gear. Always get wool!! go old aussie wool is best :lol: chers john

Well. I think I'll go with the $5001.39 cables. I hear that the sound much better than the $5000.00 ones. :lol: :arrow: Will do, thanks guys.

from the other post: Would the Owens Corning 703 work for inside-out walls and/or slot resonators. I also found "Insul-SHIELD"(semi-rigid insulation) by John Mansville www.jm.com .... looking for the specs and costs. At Lowes we sell the John Mansville products. Home Depot have Owens Corning. http://www.owenscorning.com/comminsul/d ... Series.pdf http://www.jm.com/Insulation/Products/D ... shield.pdf

Actually, only 1 of 10 "Golden Ears" types claimed to hear the diff between the $5000 (each) cables and the $5001.39 cables, and was later proven to be lying (imagine that) - However, 8 of 10 "GE's" surveyed could hear the diff between chrome vs. plastic fader buttons on their Mackie mixers :=), and ALL THREE of the world's known "Platinum Ear" types could tell if the $5k cables were run in a perfectly straight line or were "drooped" between amp and speakers. It's not clear whether this was a "Blind" test, or just a stupid one... Seriously, I would think that 703 would make an even better inside out wall - more and lower freq. absorption than the fluffy stuff. If your local Lowes/Homely De-Pot stores have ANYTHING that's useful in a studio, I'll trade you - here in Oregon, they're a complete VACUUM - almost as useless as their website for finding goodies... Steve

nice story.....lol :lol: :lol: :lol: I was trying to order from Lowes because I get a HUGH employee discount(10%) :? with the money I'll save I can buy two sets of those $5001.39 cables. The OC 703 and the JW Insul-shield seem to both(2inch) be semi-rigid boards. I'll have to check and compare the prices of the two because the NRC specs seem to be all most the same. I'm building my storage shed so I can clear out the garage.

Knightfly, apologies in advance for any dumb questions.... :oops: Are you suggesting nukmusic use hardwood flooring in his entire control room? I've never seen that and am curious if that would make the monitoring environment too "live"....maybe I'm missing something. Also, regarding his studio area, is it common to have carpet around the perimeter of a live room? Wouldn't it be more common (or useful) to have a "dead half" and a "live half"? Finally, to make the "clouds", how do you attach the 703 to the plywood? A few bumbling questions, but I'm just trying to understand for my own space I'm building! Thanks!

For the clouds - here's one way I've heard that makes sense. (I'm about to make a bunch of clouds myself - if this is wrong, PLEASE someone tell me!!) Take the rigid fiberglass. Wrap in cloth, using spray adhesive to hold it all together. Solder loops of picture wire to large fender washers. Poke through the assembly with a knitting hook or equivalent and poke the picture wire through. Poke through at 5 locations - kinda near the corners, and one in the middle. Put the loop of wire through the assembly. Hang the loops from hooks. -lee-

yeah that would work:) It depends whether you want the cloud to lift the glass off the wall as in your case or you actually want it to reflect the lows. In a rectangular room with a flat ceiling a cloud with a back on it can break up floor to ceiling waves as well as being an absorber. May be you could glue your sheets of glass to plywood backing and hang them from the plywood? cheers john

I'm about to begin the "TRANSFORMATION" ............Forgive me, but I changed the design. I seen something else you had drawn up, that would also work for me. I'll take a few photos and save them. Thanks for all the help and knowledge I have gotten you this forum. Things r going well, one of our DJ's is back on tour with Cash Money Records. Can't wait to finish the studio, I had to re-record one of our R&B artist.

p.s. love the your web site re-design. On one of the studio pages I see that they use a Panasonic Radio(the same one I have) to test the soffit design before final touches go in. :lol:

Fiery Jack, sorry I missed your questions earlier - No, I'm not saying that ALL hardwood floors are necessarily best - it's just that all CARPET definitely is NOT a good plan. If you have a hardwood floor, it's a little better aesthetically to throw down a carpet or two where you want them, than it is to put sheets of plywood down over an all carpet floor. Generally, unless your ceilings are 12 feet or more, it's better to have a bright floor and absorptive ceiling. That way, you don't completely kill the room but you do control flutter echoes and sibilance. Dead half/live half - as far as walls go, yeah - but there's such a thing as "too dead for anything" - if you were to heavily absorb floor, ceiling and walls in one part of a room, it would most likely sound pretty un-natural for any normal recordings (might be OK for those "shock effect" times, when the singer goes from normal reverb to a single, totally dead word or phrase) ... Steve

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Hey guys...........I had another question. I remember reading a post about using a soft or loveseat as a bass trap. What every happened??? Did it work? I was thinking of doing the same thing, but only packing all the open spaces in the loveseat at the rear of my design with OC 703, rockwool, etc (when I locate some in New Orleans). The loveseat is all cloth with mostly foam and a little bit of cotton packing. The bottom half(inside) of the LS is 8" x 30" x 46"(HxDxW). The back of the LS space slopes from 2" to 8"D x 24"H x 46"W. plus there are small spaces on each side the can be stuffed. What do you think? P.S. I injuried myself working on the studio :cry: so constuction hhas been stopped since Sept 2. Fell off the latter trying to catch the electric screwdriver from hitting the ground. Silly me! But I have been taking photos and saving them. Thanks guys! Docta'J

Doc, > packing all the open spaces in the loveseat < There are two main problems with using a love seat as a bass trap: 1) It's probably not large enough to do much. 2) Bass traps based on rigid fiberglass work best in the room corners. If your love seat is against the middle of a wall, or out in the room, it might help a little. But it won't be nearly as effective as having a sufficient number of bass traps placed in the room corners. > Fell off the latter trying to catch the electric screwdriver < Ouch. Electronics technicians know that when a hot soldering iron is about to fall off the work bench you always let it go. A new iron costs less than a trip to the emergency room! --Ethan

ya.........and I had just recharged the battery :lol: :lol: I just sprained my lower back from a previous injury a year ago.

Ok folks, this is where I'm at right now. Walls and sheetrock are all installed. I'm about get started on installing the booth glass and all doors in the studio. This is where I ask AGAIN about acoustic treatment for the CR and Booth. I was thinking of the clouds for the ceiling, bass traps in the front corners, Slot-R in between the B-traps on the front wall. Another corner B-Trap at the top rear corner along the wall/ceiling above the loveseat, and a slot-R on the rear wall. I think I'm missing something and the sidewall????? and the booth :roll:??? I'll mainly record vocals(solo and small group), but may record a drumset in there if need be. I did a sound test this morning with the Studio. Speakers(on stands), amp, and laptop(for music) all setup in the control rm. loaded a commerical hip hop cd and ........HEY :shock: just as I thought...... ringing reverb sound and lots of 1-2khz :D There wasn't as much bass buildup in the corners like I thought there would be, only in a spot just left and forward of the loveseat did I notice it. I have noticed much more in the corners of a square rm. But hey, it's an all sheetrock room :D and I only wanted to test the STC from outside. With 90db inside, I got about 45 outside(radio shack meter set to 50, needle read about -5/-6) Good enough for what I need. Thanks for all the info.....wish you could sign my "artist wall"(inside the closet )

Cool, J - if you were seeing 45 dB drop with the RS meter, then your STC may be closer to 60+ - since it's most likely the peaks you were reading are drums, much lower freq than the 500 hZ reference for STC. Not too shabby... Steve

Thanks. The outer wall are contructed as the photo below without the RC. Remember this setup will only be in the garage for maybe a year, But I'll go all out on the permanent studio. So any thoughts on the acoustic treatment. ??

"So any thoughts on the acoustic treatment. ?? " - Yeah, you'll need some - :wink: :wink: Seriously, if you're gonna be moving in that short a time I'd think about building mostly portable treatments, so you don't have to do it again. Figuring that out might mean getting a jump on the floor plan of your next place, but if you could it would save a lot of time next time around... Steve