Mike Vale Studio

Hi everyone. My name is Mike and I come from Slovenia, Europe. I'm a producer and I need some help. I don't know how to start and my english is not perfect, so I'll do my best. After years of dreaming, I finaly started to build it. The studio will stand in our family company (I'm in a quiet seperated hall), so I don't need to wory about any neighbours etc. My goal is that my room will sound good. I'm a producer of electronic music, so I will not record any bands, drums, etc. I only need a good sounding mix/control room. The room is... L 6,5m x W 5m x H 3.3m The outer walls are from 25cm sound proof bricks (thats how they call it here), carefuly filled with concrete. One filled brick have 42kg. Here are some pictures before I continue.

Assembly... Outer wall, 10cm air, 10cm rockwool (80kg/m3), 12,5mm drywall, 22mm particle board, 15mm drywall. Best regards, Mike

And the idea...

Some data of that bricks...

The second picture is good. Andre

Update... we also put concrete on the walls to cover all the holes between bricks.

material has arrived...

So we start with framing. Air gap between walls will be 10cm... Later we start with the floating floor...

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Thats it for now... we start with electricity on monday. Cheers! M.

So how does that floating floor work? Have you seen it or heard it before you actually did this install? I'm seeing this type of thing being done and am curious how it works out, what is the actual procedure and who is using it. Where would I get information about this?

Excellent build, guys! What's that black stuff underneath your new floor? Aren't you afraid of "shifting" ? And for what purpose is it added? (basically the same curiosity as X)

Hey xSpace & Ro. This technique is used alot in Europe. We use special material called Siliperl to flaten the base. No I'm not afraid of shifting :wink: I'll find some more pictures to show you how its done... You can read more on the picture below... and you can find out more in whole PDF here http://www.cembritibs.nl/Files/Billeder ... stemen.pdf[/url]

Hi. I put something like neoprene-foam on all my studs yesterday. I realy don't wanna hear any ring ring in the future :shot: Some pictures...

Hi there. Updateeee =) So the rockwool (10cm, 80kg/m3) has finaly arrived, air-con also arrived today, so things are getting fast now.

did you just say 80kg/m3 wool? that's about twice the weight as recommended here. I'm not sure about a few things: - the "floating" floor (it's not really floating, just elevated). For what purpose. Wasn't your existing floor already concrete? - The neoprene on them studs. Why? You should use screws to fasten the metalstuds. There will be no ringing/rattling if you dun it right. Same goes for the gypsumboards that will be attached onnit. Looks like a waste of money to me. But if it doesn't hurt acoustically. - As mentioned, that heavy wool. It's prolly more expensive than "just" common wool (48kg/m3). Another waste of money and acoustically not the best choice. But, if that's the only stuff available, that's the stuff to use. But it's a great build, nevertheless. Great craftsmanship!

Hey Ro. I think nothing is a waste of money in studio construction :oops: Yes thats true, its 80kg/m3. Actualy this wool was made especially for me. Father from a friend of mine work in company that made rockwool. This rockwool is pressed differently than ordinary... it is acoustically suited, balanced. I don't know everything about that, but a friend of mine is Acoustic Engineer and he helps me with my studio so maybe he will explain everything for me :wink: So, the 1st layer (12,5mm drywall) is finished, yesterday we finished with the 2nd layer (particle board 22mm) and already start with 3rd-finall layer (15mm drywall) and we use sealant between all layers. We also put 1cm of armaflex (gumyfoam) under the layers, just in case :lol: Next week we start with ceiling :mrgreen: :yahoo: Some photos... sory for iphone quality. Will upload some better shots.

Some more... Cheers. M.

Mike Vale wrote:

Hey Ro.

Hai there Mike!

I think nothing is a waste of money in studio construction :oops:

that was a joke, not?

Yes thats true, its 80kg/m3. Actualy this wool was made especially for me. Father from a friend of mine work in company that made rockwool. This rockwool is pressed differently than ordinary... it is acoustically suited, balanced. I don't know everything about that, but a friend of mine is Acoustic Engineer and he helps me with my studio so maybe he will explain everything for me :wink:

We LOVE to have it explained, ask'm to join in! (no, really)

We also put 1cm of armaflex (gumyfoam) under the layers, just in case :lol:

What's that? What does it do? (any links to the product, I never heard of it)

Some photos... sory for iphone quality. Will upload some better shots.

No worries, mate!

I wish I had the $$$ to put particle board on my walls... jeeez that had to be expensive and awkward putting those in position. MASSIVE BUILD! Anyways I agree with Ro that you might have spend too much time and effort on the mass part of this build since it's not floated or decoupled. You can always put another floated floor on top of the one you built I guess, making the proper calculations of the weight and making sure it's not structurally touching anything. When I built my studio a couple of years ago I had an acoustic engineer help me out with calculating the weight of my whole structure (walls built on top of floated floor). I later found out that the calculations where correct when I could measure the compression of the neoprene under the structure, so that would be something I recommend having a pro do for you. Since then I learned a lot and found out that the engineer who calculated and sold the product to me also sell a lot of things that would be treated as "bogus" or "fake" acoustic treatments on this forum.

Wow now thats a lot of mass!

Hello my first post here, I was waiting for registration few days... I am Vale's "acoustic engineer" :blah: Because the rockwool is direct from the insulation company and we have a big discount (mentioned friend with father- programmer for siemens lines, he programme machines which "makes" rockwool, from start to finish all around the world), the price of heavier material is almost negligible. He find out particularly way how to not increase gas flow resistivity although the material is heavier. Specification of that 80kg/m3 rockwool is approximate like 50kg/m3, even lower... The indoor acoustics modular elements - absorbers, will be made of rigid 130kg/m3 rockwool, also acoustics adapted. Lets say that degree of insulation compression, equally, correctly and methodically layered rock fibres (he want to achieve that rock fibres will be more elastic, like fibres in glasswool... more absorbtion) , less additives and not all like in regular insulation products,... little secrets:) Thats it. And Yes, I like mass:) Armaflex is rubber foam, it also helps to reduce eventual vibrations on the budget. http://www.armacell.com/ I hope I helped to clarify situation. ... sorry all, my bad english... Nenad L. Patkovic Crux acoustics

Hai Nenad, thanks for dropping in and elaborate on the wool. WHY would you have more mass in your wool but keep the gasflow resistance low. I mean, the wool is not gonna work (great) as an isolation material, you need much greater mass for that. So why bother? Especially on the inner-acoustics. Heavy wool panels in your room for absorption.. why heavy? much difficult to hang them. But, great to have those custom made for no extra charge. It's cool to, atleast, have such options :) I'm still confused why you've put that armaflex underneath the drywall? (is that in between the frame and drywall, or UNDER the drywall at floorlevel?) Maybe I missed the point.

All the mass (I mean wall construction) is required, because this CR is in the warehouse and neighbouring with printing hall!!! My initial idea was even more complex, but fortunately we have found a compromise (money of course). WHY more mass in your wool but keep the gasflow resistance low? I want to act a panel like some kind of porous membrane, which is this rigid rockwool with excellence gas flow permeability. I want to avoid additional membrane and searching for "healthy" balance of absorption, reflection and searching for apropriate/ suitable materials... Behind porous wideband bas traps will be additional triangle hangers... And maybe I am old skul believer, more dense, more bass absorbtion. Rockwool 130kg/m3 is not that heavier like 80 or 50kg/m3, when we are talking for just one sheet in absorber (this studio dizajn will be like Ethan Winers principles). Yes because of budget, otherwise I will apply this design: http://www.bozoel.com/content/view/57/66/lang,en/ Armaflex is for decoupling of almost all joints of different surfaces in this sistem. Nenad L. Patkovic Crux acoustics

NenPatkovic wrote:

All the mass (I mean wall construction) is required, because this CR is in the warehouse and neighbouring with printing hall!!!

Adding more GB or alike does a much greater job than adding mass to the absorbing materials that go in between wall layers.

WHY more mass in your wool but keep the gasflow resistance low? I want to act a panel like some kind of porous membrane, which is this rigid rockwool with excellence gas flow permeability. I want to avoid additional membrane and searching for "healthy" balance of absorption, reflection and searching for apropriate/ suitable materials... Behind porous wideband bas traps will be additional triangle hangers...

My mistake, I wasn't clear on my comment. What I meant was, why re-invent something? (nevermind)

And maybe I am old skul believer, more dense, more bass absorbtion. Rockwool 130kg/m3 is not that heavier like 80 or 50kg/m3, when we are talking for just one sheet in absorber

You need volume, not density to absorb lower frq. How thick are your panels going to be? With 10cm (60x120) panels you'll have about 7,5kg more of weight in total

Armaflex is for decoupling of almost all joints of different surfaces in this sistem.

I hope it's working for you. Love to see details on that! Thanks for your reaction, it's alway nice to have some one explain in detail what they're up to. :)