studio construction update! Lessons i learned!!!

Started by bryanarchy on 1 May 2006. 4 replies.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 6132.

Hey guys, I have posted sporadically here and there on this board. I had a thread about starting my project here: http://johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4034 I settled on a layout that (with a few adjustments) looks like this:
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I opted to not go for the angled wall that would divide the large space in half because after a bit of research, it seemed that it would be a better situation to treat the walls accoustically than to deal with the unpredictability of the angled wall (see F.A. Everest's master handbook of accoustics). I am at about 90% complete right now; it's a functional space but lacking the paint and accoustic treatment to really be classified as complete. I had a band come in on the weekend, just to do a few tests and to get an idea if there were any minor changes before i commit to a few things. The results of band tests were great! The mix room, even in the state it was in translates sound quite well. Moving around the room does not exhibit the peaks and nulls that my older mix rooms were so great for. It's a nice space indeed. The live room, which at this point is still untreated other than an absorber over the drum position (as per Ethan's suggestion) but sounded pretty good. The greatest thing about the space, is the soundproofing really worked!!! I've never had a space of my own where i could monitor drums strictly from my monitors! The amount of leakage between my mix and live rooms is incredibly minimal. when i mute my monitors, the drums and guitars are barely a whisper level, with the majority of that coming through the heat vent (which will be remedied in the next stage). Although you read about the majority of sound leakage coming from little gaps in the wall, vents, etc, it really doesn't strike you until you actually experience it! I went outside of the house when the band was making noise and the amount of sound transmission to the outside world is pretty small. I didn't take a sound meter out there, but i'm willing to bet that compared to the ambient noise of the neighbourhood (about 6 blocks from a freeway) is louder than the noise when you're standing by the house. When you're on the sidewalk, you can hear it if you strain your ears. Although i'm not much for recording late, especially drums, i think that it could be done if i was in a pinch with no complaining neighbours. Now for the lessons i've learned: 1-This wasn't expensive at all!!! I decided that i wouldn't spare any costs so i could have a space that was accoustically soundproof, but also sounded great. The materials cost for the whole thing so far has been around $2000 and i estimate that after paint and final accoustic treatment i shouldn't break $3500. The biggest way i saved money was by doing it yourself. Find a friend who is a bit handy and a good conversationalist and enlist them. There is no problem that two people can't talk out and solve. Before this project, i never really did any framing, drywalling, wiring etc. but by the end, i'm confident and i've learned a ton. Well... maybe get some help with wiring... 2- Plan the hell out of it!!! Read as much as you can. Find helpful people who have done this sort of thing before. Draw up plans, and tweak them as you go along to improve on the design. Don't change your plan to make compromises though. If you feel there's a roadblock and you need to change your plan, step back and make sure you make a decision that is for the good of the construction, not for the good of your wallet or the good of getting lazy. Also, as you're building, take a break and make sure you're on track with the plans. 3- make daily goals Start each day thinking/discussing what would be a reasonable task to complete in the time you have that day. This way, you can stay focused and if problems arise, you can step back and get a grip on the situation and know what has to be done. 4- plan your trips to the lumberyard When you're buying materials, figure out what you need and make a list before you leave the house. Try and buy a few extra of whatever you're buying because there's always gonna be a miscut 2x4 or a dropped piece of drywall and trust me, it's a pain in the ass when you can't finish a wall or something because you're a sheet short and the stores are closed. By planning it out, you also don't overbuy which saves you money. Trust me, the thought of returning 6 sheets of drywall outweighs having $60 in my pocket. 5- measure three times, cut once i heard a version of this one from someone else, but i've made an improvement on it, with the 'three' times ;) The one thing that is truly important is if you're not writing measurements down, don't let a time longer than 3 minutes elapse between measuring and cutting. All you need is 867-5309 to get played on the radio and all hell breaks loose. Also, don't shout out a measurement to the person helping you and expect them to remember it. Brains on sawdust just don't work that way. 6- be creative Construction is a lot about numbers and measurements but there's an aspect of it that is pure creativity. When you're building in a pre-existing space, you're always gonna find little snags that don't have any solutions in a book or on the internet. How-to books and even your own plans are usually existing in a perfect world. Foundations are level, ceilings are perfectly straight only in theory. These facts can either drive you crazy, or you can flex your head and come up with amazing solutions. Nothing makes you feel more proud than when you're trying to figure out a problem that you can't find a solution for on the internet. 7- share your knowledge A lot of this accoustic stuff didn't make a ton of sense on paper or on the screen. It wasn't until i actually started building that things really clicked. Get on these webboards and really read a lot and try and learn a bit and then when you get down to it, it should all make sense. Once you're done try and share some of what you learned. There's more than a few cynical people on webboards and i think that sometimes it's really intimidating to post and ask questions.The cynics react poorly to people asking the questions they've seen repeatedly and so people just avoid asking questions. For every person who asks a dumb question there are ten people who are searching boards looking for answers and too afraid to ask when they can't find anything. To the cynics i ask, why bother? just ignore a stupid question or gently move them to the answer. Why are go on a webboard if you just want to be surly about things? Yeah, you're gonna have to see the same questions repeatedly, but hey, if you wanted to only answer something once, write a book, don't go on a webboard where new people always come along. 8- Enjoy yourself! When you get a wall up, or finish a floor it's such a great feeling. Celebrate every accomplishment if you're doing it yourself. Take tons of pictures and be proud of a job well done. You're gonna have a space that you will know from the inside out and that feels great! Ok, that's all i have right now. I have to get planning on my accoustic treatment. I hear egg cartons work really well... anyone got any experience with them? ;)
Wonderfull, true inspiration. I'm in a project (planning stage) where soundproof is prio nr uno. (itsa rehearsal building with 3 spaces) Reading such posts gets me up again, cuz I've been scratching my head a few hundred times already "does this REALLY cut transmissions that much?" Well, doing it the right way it prolly does! now to the important part: where are the pix ?! :) tell us more, TELL US MORE (or show!)
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Wonderfull, true inspiration. I'm in a project (planning stage) where soundproof is prio nr uno. (itsa rehearsal building with 3 spaces) Reading such posts gets me up again, cuz I've been scratching my head a few hundred times already "does this REALLY cut transmissions that much?"
It's totally easy to be overwhelmed. I know that i was pretty scared to start, but once i got going, and got my hands dirty, a lot of things just sort of came together. As much as a lot of people would like you to believe, this isn't rocket science. There are a few fundamental concepts you have to grasp and everything stems from that. Sound transmission and accoustics isn't black magic, it's science and follows rules. If you know those rules, then you can work with it. The other thing you have to realize about what you read in books or on the internet is everyone is working towards a perfect situation in their plans and theories. Sometimes double walls aren't possible, sometimes floating slabs aren't possible. You can only realistically do so much to minimize noise, based on your budget, your enthusiasm, and situation. A lot of books, etc paint that picture that you have to do all of that stuff to make the room perfect, but maybe sometimes it doesn't have to be perfect; sometimes it just has to do the job and that's it. The big thing is that you really have to watch the little details like those little spaces between things that air (and therefore sound) can get through or places where wall elements are touching and run the risk of transmitting sound. Having a super-amazing wall with four layers of drywall on them is pretty much useless if you have a 1/4" gap inbetween it and the ceiling. focus on the details! The other crazy thing i didn't mention was that when i'm standing outside the drumroom, i can hear the drums as if they're coming from up the stairs because the area below the stairs (which is on the drum side of the wall) isn't completely treated, insulated and drywalled yet. The leakage from under the stairs is creeping through and gives the illusion that the band is playing upstairs! Finishing this up is the next stage... I will post pics soon, i promise!
Excellent post! You really made a lot of good points in your post. You stated the noise was minimal and was probably coming through your ductwork. Evidentally, you've got plans to try to remedy this (as much as possible). This is one area I'll be facing when I start building. My ductwork is already done, and I'm committed to my HVAC system now. Even though I have a few ideas to reduce sound through the ducts, I am curious as to what you have in mind to do. Maybe what you want to do is better than what I came up with (basically buy or build some type of silencer, insulate around the ductwork, have bends in the ductwork, use as large ductwork as possible...although I was only able to use 7" & 8" size flexduct etc etc) Let me know what you came up with if possible.
sorry for the slow reply, stan. I can't stress how minimal the leakage is even through the ductwork. I mean if the band is playing full steam in the drum room and i'm sitting in the mix room, i head a very dull rumble. I've been in 'real' studios that have had more leakage. In my ears, the amount of leakage i'm getting is low enough that i'm not even concerned. I can sit in the control room and listen to the sound of the snare through the monitors without the actual sound of it coming through from the other room being detrimental. I do have a final plan for the ductwork though. The drum room only has one vent into it. I am going to try and build a plug, which i can remove the register cover and slip in. The only time i really forsee this being necessary is more for trying to keep the sound of the furnace from getting into the tracking room during sessions where i need a still and silent room. cheers, bryan