FINALLY - My New Studio Build.

Started by giles117 on 18 July 2009. 68 replies, 2009–2011. In the Library under Build diaries. Key posts in this thread.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 13289.

HVAC TRUNK line removed, next wall partially in place.
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Ceiling beam going into place. Note the top of the new wall is approx. 1/2" below the existing House Floor Framing. I am mounting 2x4 studs between the house studs atop the wall for the studio ceiling. People use resilient track, etc.. I have found it to NOT be the ideal solution for a New construction studio build. The ultimate goal is to completely isolate the studio room from the outside world. This allows me to lose minimal ceiling height and keep the ceiling completely isolated from the existing structure and have it ONLY attached to the studio walls.
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HVAC pulled back in prep for shorter wall segment and HVAC Flex Duct channel
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As the room starts to develop I realize I will need to make minor adjustments to my plan. Variations in the basement wall surface and existing pipes that I chose NOT to remove or relocate have altered my width dimension by 2" also with my decision to mount all my NOISY rack mount gear in the front soffit wall underneath the surround sound speaker cavity (Computer, Fanned audio interfaces, etc..) I am losing an additional 6" from the front of the room. After I get the drywall up, I will revise the plan with the new interior dimension sizes. I will begin laying the Live room floor in about a week. Had a few gigs cancel on me so cash flow is a touch light.
FInally starting to raise the 1st layer of drywall in the Control room. Dont fear, the Rockwool is going in later this week. I needed to place the lower 1st layer for resizing my plans.
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Things are running a touch slow due to the various gigs cancelling on me. LOL. Welcome to the Music Biz. Feast or Famine. ROFL!!!! However, I have enough wood and drywall to finish the control room. The rockwool cost is another story..... Here is a rough plan revision for placement of interior acoustic treatments
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Weekend Gig DID NOT cancel. Yayy!! SO I was able to buy some Rockwool.... Need 8 Additional Bundles of 3" to finish COntrol room. Lets see if this weekend doesnt cancel. :) Or do I have to pay bills? LOL. 1st Layer of drywall in the front of Control room is up... WIll finish 2nd Layer and start framing Soffits Later this week. Again, doing a Surround Sound room with a 2 sets of Monitors in the front. 1 Set (surround) at ear level (45" from the floor = center of speaker). 1 Set above at an angle (10" - 3 way system)
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Long time no Update. Layed in the 2nd Layer of Drywall in the front of the studio. Rear is still under construction. Placed in my initial soffit framing. Fired up my mackies and the imaging is SPOT on.... I will finish the upper portion of soffit framing this weekend as i am mounting 3 way boxes above the Mackies (which are part of my surround system) 626 center and a pari of 624's for the rear. May soffit mount the sub.. The upper speakers will be angled of course... So here are todays photos from this weeks work.. Fell behind due to gigs cancelling. Oh well... LOL. As soon as my next order of Rockwool comes in, the rear walls and ceilings will get their drywall treatment and the rest is interior acoustics and doors... Then cosmetics... See ya soon. Off my schedule by 5 weeks, but still not too bad... Should finish in time to mix this live recording :) Gonna do a raised platform in the rear for a Love seat...
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Left Soffit Frame
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Right Soffit Frame
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Initial Imaging Test in play
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Started the frames for the L/R Front Surround speakers and the Big Mains which will go above... Wound up being a 13.8º angle.. for the upper speakers. I will do center channel speaker frame and upper center angled wall frame... Having fun.... Todays quick photos...
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I updated this post and addded this one. The beginnings of the angled soffits. Got a 2nd wind. LOL. You will see the beginnings of my Slat resonators as well (to the left)
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Wound up being a 13.8º angle.. for the upper speakers.
Hello guiles. Nice build. Just curious though, how did you measure/scribe/build an angle within .2 degrees? Especially a soffit face with compound angles in 3 planes at the edges.(you haven't shown how the soffit face interfaces with the adjacent planes yet) And what parameters gave you this angle and the height of the monitor in the first place? The reason I ask, is I've been told by one Studio designer, in his opinion, monitors should never be more than 5 degrees in vertical alignment because of thie Pinna effect.... http://www.sweetwater.com/expert-center ... innaEffect Although, as usual, another designer disagreed with the afore mentioned designer, and remarked 8 degrees was his limit. :mrgreen: When I asked him what told him the angle of the monitors in the first place, he said "the height" which confused me, so I asked him what told him the height? He replied.."the distance"...hmmmm, shades of beating around the bush eh? :mrgreen: I tried to pin him down even more but he chastised me for asking "proprietary" questions. :roll: That tells me something. :mrgreen:
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As this illustrates, even if an equilateral triangle apex point HEIGHT is predetermined, you can STILL apply the centerline to ANY angle and still maintain the distance. Thats why I ask what is the parameter for determing the monitor height in the first place..ie..which gives you the angle. What told you 13.5 degrees was the correct angle for your soffit face? But I'm just curious. Without a vertical section through the monitors its difficult to see how this angle establishes your equalateral triangle apex HEIGHT, without knowing the centerline of the monitor height and horizontal distance to it. Like this.
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I guess what I'm trying to ask you is...what told you the HEIGHT of monitor sonic propagation point centerline vs vice versa..the vertical angle from the equilateral triangle apex point. There seems to be vague opinions on the methodology various people use to determine these two parameters...ie which came first..the cart or the horse? :mrgreen: Thanks for any insight. fitZ
cadesignr wrote:
Hello guiles. Nice build. Just curious though, how did you measure/scribe/build an angle within .2 degrees? Especially a soffit face with compound angles in 3 planes at the edges. And what parameters gave you this angle and the height of the monitor in the first place?
I rounded up to 14 degrees for the angle. Perhaps there is some hard fast issue restricting angles. Perhaps when I fire them up I will find it to be true and adjust. My choice of angle is based on the restrictions of distance and height. If there turns out to be some undesirable effect, I can adjust them accordingly. My Mackies will be my main monitors nonetheless. The Angled monitors will be for client appeasement and getting the bottom right... Who knows, if I find the sound desirable they may become my mains.... My decision was further mitigated by the height of my head in relation to the drivers of the monitor being used. I hope that helps, if not I will put up my over simplified diagram.
cadesignr wrote:
But I'm just curious. Without a vertical section through the monitors its difficult to see how this angle establishes your equalateral triangle apex HEIGHT, without knowing the centerline of the monitor height and horizontal distance to it. Like this.
Excuse my ignorance. I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase... If you saw the photo I posted.. Use that as a basis for your question. All measurements were based on average head/ear height with relation to a seated mix position.
DId a search and find this post. viewtopic.php?p=82688#p82688 I am such a common sense guy. My original plan had an angle of 11. But after getting the dim.s' for my speakers, I realized I was shallow. 14 degrees turns out the be the correct placement for angling the speakers. Any greater, and like the Genelec info says, early reflictions off the desk become an issue. Though I appropriated for that while figuring the best angle for my application. If I had more distance between the soffits and myself I could do a shallower angle. But that just isnt the case. So lets see how it all ends. Adding pieces of wood is no big deal...Thanks for your question. As a 20 year Live sound veteren and a 15 year studio engineer, I have never found medium angles to be a problem with hearing directionaility or freq response. I have always found the room to be the issue, not the angle of declination. (or inclination depending upon wether you are the speaker or the listener. LOL)
Anything new with the build? I'm a fellow Michigander that followed your last build. You were in HighlandPark i think. Would love to see where your at on this one.
I have to upload the latest photos. Using reclaimed materials gives an interesting look to the studio. LOL. FInished the 1st Slat resonator. Shell is complete. Working on the framing the interior for the bass trapping. So far my cost is under $800.00 I'll have to sit and recalculate. The only cost has been the rockwool, 15 - 2x4x84" studs $20 for 6 sheets 5/8" Drywall and hardware (Nails/screws/Glue) Everything else has been free/reclaimed. I missed a smashing halloween deal. someone was unloading 60 sheets of drywall which would have allowed me to knock out the shell for the live room. Oh, well better deals coming. Did you follow the build online or did you swing by the studio??? And Yes that was the HP build. I am working on the framing and facing for the soffits through the weekend. Angles are my weakness. Not the best woodcutter. Soon as I get my iphone charged I'll get the new ones upped. Misplaced the charging cable.
Re-ran my figures. Total out of pocket for everything thus far = $550.00 (Rounded up.) I also reclaimed all the electrcal wiring throughout the place. Only had to purchase Outlets/Switches and boxes... Came out to $22.00 Had 3 old track lights reclaimed as well.
I love the reclaiming aspect your doing. We've got a couple cool places in town specializing in selling use/reclaimed materials from demolition or remodel jobs. Found our cabinents and stove/even there. We've reused a lot of wood and screws left over from demo'ing some fixtures the previous tenants left up.
I am finding out reclaiming isn't as bad as we may think. You get some interesting wood colors and a WHOLE LOT of savings. LOL. Hopefully I'll have photos up Monday so show soome of the variations. I also forgot to add, I managed to snag $240.00 worth of 1x4,1x6,1x8 and 1x12 from Lowes for (Cha-ching!!!) $19. Had some warpage, but nothing the EurekaZone EZ-Smart System couldn’t fix.... http://eurekazone.com/products/detail/sgs.html Not a sales person. LOL. Just found this to be the most Awesomely useful tool with a Circular Saw.. gets rid of a LOT of tools. I have built this place with a just circular saw, a drill, Utility Knife, caulk gun and a hammer. LOL.
Just 3 Quick Photos showing the minor updates. Finished one Resonator wall, halfway through the second.... Working on finishing the framing for the soffits so I can stuff them with rockwool and close off that area... Mounting equipment racks in the lower portion of the soffits. Time to rack mount my CPU...
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Some more photos from work done tonight... Gotta finish slicing these 2x8's I got for .85 cents each and making homemade 2x4's then I'll show the framing in the rear of the studio...
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DOne for the night. Just listening. I Love how each piece I put in place makes a marked improvement.. The mids around 160Hz - 400Hz just tightened up and got IN MY FACE. Loving it...
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I'm really enjoying this thread, Bryan! Love how you are doing it all on such a tight budget, and it is turning out pretty well! I'm not commenting much, but I am following closely, and hoping that at some point you'll find the time to post some tips on how you manager to FIND all these great deals! 85 cents for a 2x8??? Man, I wish I knew where to get those prices! What's your secret????? - Stuart -
Hey Stuart. One of the things I learned a long time ago. A pro woodworker doesn’t need straight wood to make a master piece. So I could care less about warped wood. You just "MAKE IT WORK" LOL The wood deals I have been getting Example 14-1x6x48" 2 - 1x12x 144" 8 - 1x8x 120" 3 - 1x3x72" 4 - 1x4x120" for $19.00 These were all remnants or warped wood. Those pieces with my EZ Smart rail system allow me to make dimensional wood to the spec I need.... The 2x8's, 2x10's I purchased the other day, same deal. These were warped pieces, that I am cutting down to 2x4 Size... I just wish I could Rockwool cheaper. LOL..All in all it's coming together better than I expected... Not as fast as I wanted. I was on task to meet my deadline until I lost my gig. Oh well. Life goes on. LOL.
I love that Hi-Hat, how does it sound/ :mrgreen:
LOL. CHeesy. Just picked up a digital kit for my personal work. Will have updates in a few days. Picking up fabric for rear of room and finishing everything but the lower part of the soffits. Awaiting a rack rail order...
giles117 wrote:
FInally starting to raise the 1st layer of drywall in the Control room. Dont fear, the Rockwool is going in later this week. I needed to place the lower 1st layer for resizing my plans.
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I noticed you never did complete your vapor barrier. As a rule, an unbroken barrier is >required< in order for it to display the attributes of a barrier. Not only is yours "broken" it is missing entirely in some of the areas. This is only mentioned in that when you have moisture issues somewhere down the short road, you may have an avenue to trace the path to what is or is not creating this problem. A solid unbroken moisture barrier is a requirement, anything less is unacceptable. Vapor will creep around the broken areas much in the same way anything else water related will take the path of least resistance. It should be noted that this product is closed cell, more a thermal break than specifically used for a barrier. Unless in the case of SIP(Structurally Insulated Panel) or ICF to be more exact, of which this application does not meet that definition. I appreciate having lowered costs, we all benefit from this. But follow through and strict adherence to contemporary building technique is as important as anything in a basement application.