I've been digging for awhile now around the forum and the net trying to find out what are good materials to use for insulation that will absorb sound. I came across a few such as Gypsum Board and heard about this Acoustiblok stuff and even Rock Wool.
I got the price for Gypsum board near by and they only sell in bulk. And that was around I think 24 pieces or something for the half inch thick it was around total of $2500. Way too pricey for me unless I can find a place thats sellin it in singles. Or does anyone know what materials are good to use period that may be a more legit price?
What Are Good Acoustic Materials To Use?
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 11147.
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Tying in directly with one of things in your post, where are you? Different materials are used in different parts of the world. We cannot help you with out the information detailed in the referenced post.
Andre
" 24 pieces or something for the half inch thick it was around total of $2500"
Couple months of selling at that rate and I could take the rest of the week off! :)
I live in New York state...I don't have the exact room dimensions down yet just rough estimates but I do have a layout of how the setup will look like if that'll help at all. Right now I just need to know what type of materials are decent for Sound Insulation for the internal walls so sound won't be able to transfer through the walls or at least where it's barely noticable from the outside of the room. Alternatives would be greatful as well. As I stated in my first post (Which I apologize for less detail) I got a quote on the special sound Gypsum Board. The place only sold through bulk of a bundle of around 26 pieces yet I don't think we even need that many pieces period. The half an inch I think it was ran to around $2000 and some change...too pricey for me. But was curious if either there was a place somewheres in New York (Preferbly Upstate if possible) that would sell the Gypsum Board in singles rather bulk. Or if possible any type alternative that may be cheaper yet still efficient.
Oh yeah and the room right now is half setup...there are a few walls that have the sheetrok already on it and a few of the walls have original insulation packed in it...and some walls are already setup with the studs...so at moment the phase i'm in is about to begin construction...no materials purchased yet just wanna get estimates on the acoustic material first before me and a buddy can begin planning everything. As for the sound...I have neighbors to the right of my house and none to the left....the studio is just below my room and the booth is directly under the upstairs bathroom (Pipes are hanging pretty low BUT figured maybe Acoustic Insulation will work in this situation if I wrapped it around the piping).
Hopefully this is enough information needed to get some help...if not then please let me know and i'll add in whats needed. Thanks!
"I got a quote on the special sound Gypsum Board." /quote
oh brother....and based on what would make you give up your hard earned money for this? I don't even know what it is you are referring to, but I can say this, don't let it fool ya. It isn't voo-doo :) Lot of things have to be in place for some of these products to work up to the expected performance. Some things you cannot do in a retro fit and some things just never happen period ;)
Precision is stressful I understand that, but it is a requirement.
SoundBreak Gypsum Board....has that liquid stuff in between the Gypsum Board or w/e that traps the sound so it can't travel through etc. Its known to be top knotch material used in alot of large projects with construction etc. Heres the link to it.
http://www.nationalgypsum.com/products/product173.aspx
But I did find a few alternatives today...but still gotta get a quote.
Soundbreak looks like a version of QuietRock. They work but are expensive. For greater performance at less cost use 2 layers of regular gyprock with Green Glue in between the layers.
Next step up would be to use PAC RSIC clips or Kinetics Noise Iso Max clips in addition. This would would give significantly performance than the Soundbreak.
Very rough costs ignoring labor is
4'x8' gyprock $8.00
Green Glue $35 per 4'x8' section
RSIC or Iso Max clips $75 per 4'x8' section
Andre
What about this?
http://www.whisperindustries.com/
Thanks for the link! Without test data to study, which is not on the website, I would not recommend it. It may a fine product where the need for petrochemical component has been removed. This would make the product significantly cheaper. I requested TL data from the website. It will be interesting to see the test results. Gratefully, AndreWhat about this? http://www.whisperindustries.com/
I got that from :
http://www.greengluestore.com/
Hello from GreenGlueStore.com.
I will post some sound tests for these clips in the next few days. Until then if you have any questions feel free to contact me through our site's online chat or contact me by e-mail/PM on this message board. Thanks for the interest in this product!
How's that for customer support?
No doubt lot of this stuff is helpin thanks for the input everyone...I came across 2 other materials that seem interesting that I may check out also.
http://www.soundstop.net/homeowners/soundstop/
also
http://www.homasote.com/products/440-Soundbarrier.aspx
If I was to use that Green Glue idea...any estimate on how much sound would be absorbed? And the labor will be no problem me and my buddy most likely will be doin the labor.
Both materials are inappropriate for music isolation purposes.No doubt lot of this stuff is helpin thanks for the input everyone...I came across 2 other materials that seem interesting that I may check out also. http://www.soundstop.net/homeowners/soundstop/ also http://www.homasote.com/products/440-Soundbarrier.aspx
There are dozens of lab tests on Green Glue assemblies. The Green Glue Store has a link to some of them. there are more on the green glue website. AndreIf I was to use that Green Glue idea...any estimate on how much sound would be absorbed? And the labor will be no problem me and my buddy most likely will be doin the labor.
Alright no doubt wasn't sure if they would work or not but just knew they dealt with acoustics. Also checked out the green glue site and the testing and yeah it does take alot of noise reduction with that setup. My question is though...what thickness of the gyprock would I use? And...we were aiming at probally getting the R19 insulation and with the Isomax Channels...is there a certain way to set them up on the studs etc. such as a spacing pattern?
Can you install sheetrock on the outside/other side of these walls?
The thicker the better.My question is though...what thickness of the gyprock would I use?
IsoMax installation instructions are on Kinetecs Noise's website. Here is a link to them. Andre edit: fixed htmlAnd...we were aiming at probally getting the R19 insulation and with the Isomax Channels...is there a certain way to set them up on the studs etc. such as a spacing pattern?
Alright so it basically is setup such as this....
Sheetrock > Insulation > Channels On Studs > Sheetrock > Green Glue > then Sheetrock again
Also caulking will be done to get the seems set or can I use the Green Glue on that also? Cause think I seen that you can use the Green glue for the seems.
Green Glue is not a caulking compound. AndreAlso caulking will be done to get the seems set or can I use the Green Glue on that also? Cause think I seen that you can use the Green glue for the seems.
I knew it wasn't but ionno maybe I had it twisted...theres Cauk out there thats Acoustic right? If so thats prolly what it was or is it kinda pointless to have acoustic cauk and stick with normal Cuaking Compound?
*EDIT* - NVM I found out about the Acoustic Cauk on the brands etc.
Something is getting mixed up here. Between the panels on a partition you use regular drywall mud. Between partitions, like a wall and ceiling coming together, or wall and floor, you use acoustic caulk.
Andre
Ahh alright yeah ionno what I was thinkin....I was all twisted but now I understand.
so euh, SoundMechanic, where ye from?
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3231
Green Glue is also known for enhancing performance in low end frequencies in which most of life's "real world" noise problems occur. I would recommend using 2 layers of 5/8" gyprock. A comment that may come up is that you would want to use 2 different thicknesses such as 1/2" & 5/8" to have 2 different resonances. This would be the case if not using GG. Since you are using GG tests have shown that you get better performance with the extra mass of 2-5/8" layers. GG will help flatten out the coincidence dip and depending on construction, drives down or provides better TL at the low end resonance point. I found this link to help you with your Isomax Clips: http://www.kineticsnoise.com/arch/isomax/index.aspx I hope this helped.Alright no doubt wasn't sure if they would work or not but just knew they dealt with acoustics. Also checked out the green glue site and the testing and yeah it does take alot of noise reduction with that setup. My question is though...what thickness of the gyprock would I use? And...we were aiming at probally getting the R19 insulation and with the Isomax Channels...is there a certain way to set them up on the studs etc. such as a spacing pattern?
Alright now I understand thanks man alot I appreciate that greatly. So the Green Glue goes between the 5/8 sheet rock....and both layers are fastened into the Isomax Clips...correct? And the Isomax clips look like their metal...how would material be screwed into that metal?