I think that sounds like a good solution to getting "something" done quick (albeit not what some folks might like to "sell" you) I think tackin' 4" thick 703 absorbers on your back wall, some 2" materials on your ceiling and covering it all in fabric would do a sight bit o' good in a room with no other acoustic treatment. In fact, I'd bet on it. Better yet, tack some 4 incher's across your vertical corners and call it a day. Quick, painless and probably pretty effective. Hell, grab a couple of chubby chicks off the street and stand them in the corner's instead. They might even hold 'yer beer for ya. Good luck to you partner, and look out for those ambulance chasers! ~ Joel DuBay www.ReadyAcoustics.comThanks for all the input. FWIW, I'll do the right thing when I have a space that's more my own and measure and build absorbers and all that (I"m looking forward to it), but for now I just want to get things reasonably good in here (with a temporary/storable solution) and start recording. With that in mind, I hope you won't mind if I ask to be taken by the hand a bit here. I've spent a lot of time searching this site and others as well and most of the treatments are relatively involved construction projects. I'm just looking to git 'er done: 75% of the benefit (or less even) in 25% of the time. Someone said I shouldn't use foam. OK. And that 2" of fiberglass might not be enough. OK, although I can't really do more than 2" on the ceiling because my head will start to bump it! Should I just tack some 4" 703 on the back wall and cover it with fabric, some 2" on the ceiling, cover with fabric? And for the corners can I just stuff some fiberglass into a big cloth bag and jam it in there? Roughly how much? Two of my corners are only 2' high! I really appreciate the individual help and apologize for having to ask for personal attention like this when I know there's so much information already on this site. Thanks again!
Quick, temporary absorption (odd space, tracking only)
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 10205.
My bad Kb ;)(I feel like I'm in an abbot & costello movie or something, where some guy asks what he thinks is an innocent question and finds himself in the middle of a dispute. Kind of like the Susquehanna hat scene.)
Thanks, Joel. I wouldn't mind the company, but I think they'd have a hard time keeping quiet while I track some guitar part for the 40th time. By "tacked across the corner" do you mean one edge attached to one wall, the other edge attached to the other wall, and therefore a triangular gap behind the piece of 703? Like if I leaned a sheet of plywood perfectly in the corner? Floor to ceiling? All four corners? How wide? Now we're getting somewhere! Thanks again![ I think that sounds like a good solution to getting "something" done quick (albeit not what some folks might like to "sell" you) I think tackin' 4" thick 703 absorbers on your back wall, some 2" materials on your ceiling and covering it all in fabric would do a sight bit o' good in a room with no other acoustic treatment. In fact, I'd bet on it. Better yet, tack some 4 incher's across your vertical corners and call it a day. Quick, painless and probably pretty effective. Hell, grab a couple of chubby chicks off the street and stand them in the corner's instead. They might even hold 'yer beer for ya. ~ Joel DuBay www.ReadyAcoustics.com
Yes the key is to straddle the corner. Like this.By "tacked across the corner" do you mean one edge attached to one wall, the other edge attached to the other wall, and therefore a triangular gap behind the piece of 703? Like if I leaned a sheet of plywood perfectly in the corner?
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These are straddling floor to wall corners but the same thing applies.
YES floor to ceiling if you can, but even half will work better then nothing. YES as many corners as possible. Go with the face of the panel at 24" wide and as high as you can go. GlennFloor to ceiling? All four corners? How wide?
I think you're already getting superb advice, despite the surreal interludes. :D To answer your first question, you will be recording upright bass. This alone warrants good LF control in the room. Guitars, vocals, and drums/percussion will also benefit. Oh, and reflexion filters are not miracle workes, particularly when it comes to low frequencies. (I would argue you might as well not even use it if you're miking the upright bass...) To answer your second question, I think you're (a) already on the right track and (b) getting good advice from others. Feel free to be creative with making the stuff reusable. We'll be happy to comment on whatever you come up with! All the best,Do I need to worry about the corner even if I'm only recording relatively quiet things in my room and using the reflexion filters? What's an easy/inexpensive/ideally re-usable solution for corners?
WTF? What could you possibly object to on my Fraud page? Everything on it is absolutely true and proven! If you hate dishonesty, please take it up with your sponsor who has been going around posting trash using phony names.As I righfully complain about your link and its content.
No kidding. Note the way Eric dishonestly tries to take credit for the lab tests I paid for that proved Foam By Mail is a fraud. :) --EthanAs you wrote "I hate dishonesty no matter where it comes from." Maybe you should live by your own words. :shock:
More here from someone who was tricked:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/rives ... /4894.html
This is not the only person who complained to me about Joel's blatant fraud.
Exactly Jeff, and this is what Joel does illegally using our formally trademarked name in his own ad's headline. However, I doubt it's illegal to target a competitor based on Google search words. If you search on RealTraps, an ad for Auralex's direct-sales division True Sound Control usually pops up. And if you search on Auralex, ads from all the usual suspects show up. :) --EthanIn the U.S., it is generally illegal in the context of situations that either (a) cause confusion in the market place, or (b) redirect potential customers of a competitor's product(s) to your page.
My post was specifically in relation to the use of meta tags, which are search terms embedded in web page code. It seems to me this has more to do with what the user cannot see and, thus, might not be construed as a "fair use."
Further, it seems that search engines are not (or are no longer??? - I really don't know how this stuff works) necessarily restricted to searching via meta tags. Hence, a mention of Brand C Cola on a Brand P page - e.g., a "fair use" like "taste tests show x out of y people prefer Brand P to Brand C" - could bring up the Brand P site when a user googles Brand C.
Finally, my post was not addressing anything specific about this thread or the alleged wrongdoings of anyone. It was purely FYI. Personally, I could care less. :roll:
(It matters not who flung the first turd if all are now caked equally in dung.™) :D
Thanks again for the help so far.
Another big question:
When I clap my hands in my room I hear a terrible ringing echo (like the high frequency part of a star wars blaster sound) but I've realized that it mostly originates from the hallway off the room. If you look at the first picture in my thread you'll see the doorway leading into the room (and you can even see the steps leading down). This is a steep wooden staircase with a low parallel ceiling tracking it the way down. It is one ugly-ass echo chamber in there, so clearly I have to get that taken out of the room sound.
I'd rather not have to block that doorway, since it's my only opening to my room (where I spend most of my time). It's 32" wide and adding a door isn't really feasible. So, question is:
*Do I need to seal that door off while tracking (with a mattress or something) or will treating that reflecting wall (visible in the picture) do the trick?
*If treating the wall is cool, how much coverage will it need?
Thanks!
Ethan,
Since you clearly aim at another closed thread, nicely splitting up your comments over 4 messages (good for Google and provocation).
I stop this here: you're not worth it.
I never met anyone more dishonest and manipulative as you in my whole life.
You know the exact story of FBM to be found in the forum here.
Based on my substanciated comments, Sharward (before becoming moderator) confronted you with it, and you neutralized him by somehow making clear he couldn't/shouldn't be taking serious, as substitute for arguments.
You twist and misuse Jeff's words, bending them to your (pseudo)advantage, and avoid what they represented. But it's your standard manner of being. You count on the fact that you can get people where you like them. Populisme and manipulation, not bothered by truth are your tools.
And I do agree, you're often very succesful with it, you're very good.
In fact your replies, make clear that your link wasn't primery meant to help the OP.
Edited:
To prevent further hijacking this thread with non-OP-related stuff I enter it here, since it's important in function of this thread.
I indeed don't like things which don't seem OK to me, no matter where it comes from. This relates to that Ad entered here by Ethan.
I asked Ready Acoustics about this.
They now replied:
It's that easy to solve, and these guys seem very reasonable .... Sorry Ethan you lost an argument.. I wished you had some of that attitude.As for advertising, I mentioned to the company that makes these ads for us that we should replace the title "REAL TRAPS" with Ready Acoustics. Not that it matters at all, but I wasn't aware of this particular ad until it came to my attention yesterday.
C'mon you guys--I'm as patient as the next guy, but this is the worst thread-hijack I've ever seen.
Can you start a new thread for this?
:wink:
I promise you I'm out of this, and indeed it's your thread.C'mon you guys--I'm as patient as the next guy, but this is the worst thread-hijack I've ever seen. Can you start a new thread for this? :wink:
yes it is KB...but to be fair, these are the guys that can answer your specific questions.
I know it's ugly, but your getting the best information from the top dogs.
Kittiboy,
About your question ....
You had a lot of replies already.
It feels that you're just unsure (which I can understand).
But can you clearer formulate your remaining questions then?
Is there anything unclear in the given answers?
Just asking for more without exact defining where you're stuck is difficult to answer.
What you are describing sounds to me like flutter echo. Generally this is caused by large, reflective, parallel surfaces. The simplest temporary solution is to hang a blanket over one of the offending walls. That will work to a point, depending on how low a frequency the blanket will absorb to. This depends on what the blanket is made of, thickness/mass, etc. In other words, that end of things should be fairly easy to get rid of. I haven't read this entire thread in detail, but it might make sense for you to have portable absorbers on stands. This way you can move them around depending on what you are doing. They'd help with the flutter echo, too, though that problem is more about coverage area than bass trapping.When I clap my hands in my room I hear a terrible ringing echo (like the high frequency part of a star wars blaster sound) but I've realized that it mostly originates from the hallway off the room.
Final checklist, hopefully.
Thanks again for all the help and your patience as I've formulated what's happening here and what I need.
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1) Seal off doorway with heavy mattress pad while tracking.
2) Five (5) "ATS Acoustics" panels 2'x4'x4" (open back option)--one straddling each corner, one tacked to the ceiling above the mic position.
3) One (1) "ATS Acoustics" 2'x4'x4" (rigid back) on back wall at mic position.
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Well, how does that "sound"?
Are you sure he lost? He just got you to email them which now they are committed to not target his company name in there Google ads (online keywords). I would say he won. In fact he owes you a BIG THANK YOU!!! :lol: GlennEthan, Since you clearly aim at another closed thread, nicely splitting up your comments over 4 messages (good for Google and provocation). I stop this here: you're not worth it. I never met anyone more dishonest and manipulative as you in my whole life. You know the exact story of FBM to be found in the forum here. Based on my substanciated comments, Sharward (before becoming moderator) confronted you with it, and you neutralized him by somehow making clear he couldn't/shouldn't be taking serious, as substitute for arguments. You twist and misuse Jeff's words, bending them to your (pseudo)advantage, and avoid what they represented. But it's your standard manner of being. You count on the fact that you can get people where you like them. Populisme and manipulation, not bothered by truth are your tools. And I do agree, you're often very succesful with it, you're very good. In fact your replies, make clear that your link wasn't primery meant to help the OP. Edited: To prevent further hijacking this thread with non-OP-related stuff I enter it here, since it's important in function of this thread. I indeed don't like things which don't seem OK to me, no matter where it comes from. This relates to that Ad entered here by Ethan. I asked Ready Acoustics about this. They now replied:It's that easy to solve, and these guys seem very reasonable .... Sorry Ethan you lost an argument.. I wished you had some of that attitude.As for advertising, I mentioned to the company that makes these ads for us that we should replace the title "REAL TRAPS" with Ready Acoustics. Not that it matters at all, but I wasn't aware of this particular ad until it came to my attention yesterday.
Glenn,
Can you please stay out of this. This has nothing to do with you.
You're interpretation of the facts and selective reading of my total post is yours, not mine. I reject related "thanks".
I just like things straight and it was NOT directed against anyone (I'm not part of your suggestive games).
I put that part explicit in an edit not to hijack this thread anymore.
Sure it affects me. Acoustic companies need each other to help people understand the importance of room acoustics, not running around doing unethical things to there competitors. Really Eric, I am happy to see you find it unethical and contacted them to do the right thing. Just a FYI, there ad still has Real Traps on it. :( Did they say they would change this down the road or right away? I know with the company I work with, that as soon as I tell them to make a change it goes into effect within about 2 seconds. So I guess you may need to stay on RT to keep them to there word.. GlennGlenn, Can you please stay out of this. This has nothing to do with you. You're interpretation of the facts and selective reading of my total post is yours, not mine. I reject related "thanks". I just like things straight and it was NOT directed against anyone (I'm not part of your suggestive games). I put that part explicit in an edit not to hijack this thread anymore.
Give this man a ceegar. Glenn, you get it completely. When one vendor attacks other vendors with unethical backhanded methods like posting insults anonymously and running a slander web site, it gives the entire industry a black eye. People are so totally sick of this crap and it makes us all look bad. Even though acoustics is no more complicated than anything else in audio engineering, for some reason it's not understood by many. So when they see all the back stabbing and name calling, they take us all for a bunch of jerks because it's easier than reading all the posts to understand who's actually right and who's just trying to make trouble. --EthanAcoustic companies need each other to help people understand the importance of room acoustics, not running around doing unethical things to there competitors.
Eric, if this has nothing to do with Glenn, then why is it in a public forum? Glenn (and the rest of us) are participants here. It forces me to ask, with whom does it have to do with, besides you and Ethan? And if it is just you and Ethan, then why is it posted anywhere except in private communication between the two of you? I completely agree with Glenn and Ethan that this behavior affects all of us interested in acoustics. And yes, I had fully formed this opinion long before I started working for RealTraps. Ultimately, as Rod Gervais was kind enough to point out to me long ago on another forum, it is no one's business except Eric Desart and Ethan Winer. The solution is simple. Cut it out. Sniping helps no one.Can you please stay out of this. This has nothing to do with you.