My First "Real" Studio

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Daggerhart
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My First "Real" Studio

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Hello there folks,
My name is Brandon, and I'm new here (in case you can't tell from my post count). I heard about you guys over on the homerecording.com forums, when asking for help with my studio design.

I have an old barn behind my house that I plan on building into a studio. Most of the barn has recently been rebuilt, because for a long time, it was my father's workshop. Meaning, all the floors, supports, and interior walls are like-new, plus there is an HVAC unit in the main room and the big stable/storage room.

I would like some help turning this into my studio.

I've been doing home recordings for about 11 years now, in my garage, and I'm ready to make my own studio.

I have attached a MSPaint drawing I have created of the barn space. I don't have any design programs, and this is a super old computer, so I doubt I could get a decent one to work on here (P1, 286 MHZ, 3 gigs HD, 128 megs RAM).

Here's some info on the barn.

It was built in 1957 by my father, who had 3 horses at the time. He built it with his bare hands, with the help of friends and neighbors.

The exterior of the barn is made from pine. It was originally built singularly as a barn, so the upper, open storage area has only the outside wall (no insulation), and the stables area, where the horses were kept, has only the outside wall.

The interior of the shop area is fully insulated, and has finished pine interior walls. Most likely, before the construction, those walls will have to come down, because of the control room window(s) I will need, plus a new placement for the main door.

The grey area is a raised area from the rest of the barn. It is approximately 8" higher than the stables to the right, and the wall separating the raised area from the stables is not a ceiling-tall wall; it is only 5' high. It is where the old troughs for the horses' food and water used to rest, and the raised area is where the food, grain, saddles, etc was stored.

The floor in the stables area is a simple rubber/foam mat over cement. It used to be dirt, but my father filled in the area for tool storage after he made the barn into a shop. There are 2 steel support beams in the stables area (as I have drawn). One is 7'5" away from the far right wall, and the upper is 7'3" away from the far right wall.

First, I figured I would tell you my plans, and see what you guys think.

I plan on using the old shop area as the control room. The door on the left wall is currently about 2' off center. I will either completely move it to the northern wall, or I will center it; I'm not entirely sure yet.
On the right wall in the studio, I will cut a space for a viewing window.

The northern storage area, I plan on completely walling in to create the "sitting room," lobby, kitchen-type area.

In the main recording room, I plan to do the following:

I plan on leveling the entire floor to 8" off the surface. I will do the double-floor thing to help improve sound in the room.

I will remove all the "stable" walls, which includes the 5' tall feeding wall, plus the thing walls separating each part of the stable.

I will build a sound-proofed drum booth in the upper-right corner, in almost the exact location of the current, upper-right stable. In the upper left corner, directly next to the drum booth, I will build a vocal booth.

I will then have an almost symmetrical room for other the main recording room (about 15.5 x 15.5). I will probably at some slants to one or two of the walls so as not to have a perfectly rectangular room; plus, I will add padding around the remaining steel support, so as not to cause injuries in case someone runs into it :)

As far as getting into and out of various places, I think I will build a small foyer on the left side, that is large enough for a door into the control room, and another door into the lobby. I will probably have a separate entrance into the main recording room.

Of course, I realized about 2 days ago that I have absolutely no plans as of yet for a bathroom, so I'm still not sure what to do about that; I don't want to be sending clients into my house to use the john.

Well, that's about it for now. I hope you guys can help me get this thing built.

Cheers!
-Brandon
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Post by knightfly »

You might want to reserve a part of the 8" raised area for a bathroom - not sure where your septic system is, but you'll need 1/4" per foot slope for all drain lines. This is MANDATORY for sewage lines - they are either 1/4" per foot slope, or they're VERTICAL. Nothing else. The 8" raised floor would allow you to run 4" ABS pipe for a distance of about 12 feet to the outside and still have the correct slope.

Keep in mind that plumbing tends to make noise - plan on either making the john off limits during record, or using rubber hangers for all your plumbing, or both.

John's the design wizard here, I'll let him blow your mind with his super cool layouts... Steve
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Thanks Steve,
I actually received rather similar advice from my father ( in our household, he's the resident carpenter; I'm just the guy with the ideas ;) ).

He recommended using the upper left area of the main room for toilet (which is where I was planning on the ISO Vocal Booth). He thinks having a door from the lobby/lounge area to the bathroom would be fine, and simply just having a light above the bathroom door that is controlled from the control room, to let people know that they can't go in the bathroom at a certain time. If we did this, obviously we would make as many painstaking efforts as possible to soundproof the john, but I'm aware that it will be hard to completely neutralize the flushing sounds.

As far as sloping goes, the barn is on the edge of a hill, with the septic tank at the base of the hill, so I doubt I will have any problems with the draining issues.

Thanks! Can't wait for JS to come in here with his wizardry. BTW, can anyone recommend me a good design program that will run on very few specs? (P1 286 MHZ, 128 megs RAM, 3 gig HD)

Cheers!
-Brandon
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Post by John Sayers »

So you are wanting something like this??

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Post by Daggerhart »

That was just too damned quick :)

I'm almost starting to feel that the control room area would be a little too small with the present designs. What would it be like to lengthen the x-parameters of the control room and turn it 90 degrees to the right? Say, add about 2 feet to the right wall of it and turn everything facing the main recording room?

BTW, what program are you using to do the drawings?
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Like this - I use smartdraw.com

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"As far as sloping goes, the barn is on the edge of a hill, with the septic tank at the base of the hill, so I doubt I will have any problems with the draining issues." -

Sounds like your Dad won't let you mess up on this, but still - either 1/4" per foot or VERTICAL, period. More slope allows the liquids to drain away before "floating" the solids along the pipe. Vertical, of course, lets EVERYTHING go plop. Depending on the slope of your hill, you'll need to alternate between sloped and vertical sections, making the ditch deep enough to allow for different depths of burial. Going very far might take quite a few fittings to get there.

Go to smartdraw.com, you can download a trial version free. That's what almost everyone but me uses (damn wierd, west coast hippies...) Steve
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Post by Daggerhart »

Hmmm...
Now I'm starting to think the main control room is going to be too small. I just got smartdraw; is there any way you could send me those files so I could mess around with them some?
Cheers!
-Brandon
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Post by John Sayers »

Done

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Post by Daggerhart »

So,
I took those files and tried to play with them.... I can't do smartdraw though. Apparently, I'm not very good at this stuff. So I went back to MSPaint.

Is there any sort of practical design that could be done with this?:
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Post by Daggerhart »

Is my idea that bad?? :(






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Post by John Sayers »

:lol: :lol:

no it's not that bad but you said the control room looked too small yet in your design it is even smaller :wink:

where do you want your entrance?? cos you've shifted it from one side of the building to the other.

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Post by Daggerhart »

Heh,
I really have no idea where I want my entrance. I posted in the very first post that I was thinking about adding on a completely brand-spankin-new foyer on the left (west) side of the building, that would go into the lobby/lounge and the control room from there, but I don't know if that would be a good idea.

What I'm leaning towards now is actually building a completely new entrance way that would also serve as a lounge on the left side of the building. From there, it would go to the control room and recording rooms, and the bathroom could be just a small section in the upper. Something along these lines:
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yeah - but once again you've created a small control room which would be even smaller once you treat it.

what's wrong with the last plan I gave you?? - seems to work for me.

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(whoops, double post)
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