ADA Compliant Sliding Glass Doors (Sound Rated???)

frostgfx · Post by **frostgfx** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:11 am

Hi folks:

Seems like the ADA police are about in MA... I was planning to use Pella Sliding glass doors doubled up for my studio space rooms. Rod Gervais came by on Monday and told me that the Pella windows would not be ADA compliant due to the 1.75w x 1.5" d track that the active door slides in... a trip/wheel catch hazard. (Rod: Can you send me the name of the door co. you suggested?)

So, I am left to find an alternative door solution. Any takers??? Need a solution pretty quick as I am in the midst of framing and of course need the Rough Opening dimensions when I duild the various walls!

Thanks so much.

rod gervais · Post by **rod gervais** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:36 am

frostgfx wrote:Hi folks:

Seems like the ADA police are about in MA... I was planning to use Pella Sliding glass doors doubled up for my studio space rooms. Rod Gervais came by on Monday and told me that the Pella windows would not be ADA compliant due to the 1.75w x 1.5" d track that the active door slides in... a trip/wheel catch hazard. (Rod: Can you send me the name of the door co. you suggested?)

So, I am left to find an alternative door solution. Any takers??? Need a solution pretty quick as I am in the midst of framing and of course need the Rough Opening dimensions when I duild the various walls!

Jon,

I used Kawneer model 1040's at Power Station - I like this arrangement in a pair of pocket doors specially gasketed to create extra wide oepnings.

Here's a link;

http://www.alcoa.com/bcs/kawneer_namer/ ... der--A.pdf

Rod

Post by **sharward** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:48 am

It may also be possible to have the door track seated in a groove, or use a thick(er) floor covering on both sides of the door, so that the top of the track is close to being flush with the surface of the floor.

--Keith

frostgfx · Post by **frostgfx** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:55 am

Sharward:

That was my original plan...to sink the bottom channel so that it was flush with the finished floor on both sides of the wall. Rod G says that is not compliant with ADA...

Jon

Post by **gullfo** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:30 pm

it looks like the Pella door has a single large groove (where a wheel/cane/walker could get stuck - even if sunk flush) whereas the Mall style door has 2 small grooves. may be using a Pella french door instead of a slider? or see if Pella has a version suitable for handicap access (if the Mall style are cost prohibative).

http://www.pellaadm.com/HTML/CAD_SlideC ... Cross.html (dwg)
http://www.pella.com/resources/pdf/PLCSD.pdf (pro line slider)

rod gervais · Post by **rod gervais** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:25 am

sharward wrote:It may also be possible to have the door track seated in a groove, or use a thick(er) floor covering on both sides of the door, so that the top of the track is close to being flush with the surface of the floor.

--Keith

Keith,

withthe Pella - ( or pretty much any standard residential sliding door) the problem becomes the track at the operable door itself - look at the attached - the top is the standard Pella Sill - the bottom is if you modify the solid infill for the fixed panel to as much as you can allow.

Then flush up the floor each side and remove the vent panel (which is the same as opening the door.

Look at the slot that exists - evn if you forget the handicaped codes - this doesn't meet the requirements of the building codes in general - it is a trip hazzard located in a means of egress......

Thta's why commercial sliders are made the way they are - with tiny slots for the wheels and flush floors on both sides (although you can get transition pieces to change floor elevations within handicapped requirements).

Rod

Post by **sharward** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:28 am

Hey guys,

Thanks for setting me straight! Yeah, frost - your plan is where that idea came from initially.

This will be a great reference thread. I see a lot of commercial studio designs calling for sliding glass doors, and given how here in the US lawyers often sue on behalf of disabled clients (or, in some cases, disabled lawyers!

) for thousands of dollars for perceived non-compliance of Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), it's vitally important to address these issues during the design phase. Such an oversight could literally put a studio out of business.

Here in California there are a few infamous lawyers who have threatened outrageous lawsuits against business owners over alleged ADA access issues, as the law allows, and offering multi-thousand dollar "settlements" to avoid trial. The business owners have little choice but to settle the cases, else they spend more than that defending themselves in court. In some cases the accusations are false and it is believed the "victim" never even entered the business being threatened with a lawsuit...

What sucks the most about those cases is that there's no affordance of correction during a grace period -- no "fix within 90 days or we'll sue you" -- instead it's "pay us thousands or we'll sue you for tens of thousands, and if you don't fix it soon, we'll threaten you yet again." Bastards.

Anyway, my point is, for commercial ventures, the risk of non-compliance with ADA are so huge that one simply can't afford not to do so.

--Keith

rod gervais · Post by **rod gervais** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:56 am

Keith,

wht's even better than that is the fact that the federal govt has ordered the justice department to levy fines for violations - (which amount to 10,000 per occurance) and YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUILD IT TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT - ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DESIGN IT WRONG AND THEY CAN BANG YOU - EVEN IF THE PROJECT NEVER EVEN GOT BUILT.

How is that for smart?

Rod

frostgfx · Post by **frostgfx** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:54 am

Thanks everyone for chiming in on this thread...

The Kawneer Mall doors don't seem to come in 2 panel... Bummer.
Also wondering about the STC rating/seals on the Mall style doors... I would prefer 6' wide doors that offer 36" clear access for a wheelchair, or I could opt for a custom size up to 7' wide for the Amp Booth, and CR doors on both sides.
Need an 8' wide door for the large booth as well. The Drum Booth will have a Pella French style doors 7' x 7' doubled up.

rod gervais · Post by **rod gervais** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:53 am

frostgfx wrote: I would prefer 6' wide doors that offer 36" clear access for a wheelchair, or I could opt for a custom size up to 7' wide for the Amp Booth, and CR doors on both sides.
Need an 8' wide door for the large booth as well. The Drum Booth will have a Pella French style doors 7' x 7' doubled up.

Set up as opposing doors - a 6' wide pair opens up to 5'-6" - these are the same units as we used in Power Station...........

Rod

frostgfx · Post by **frostgfx** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:17 am

Rod:

Will check into Kawneer next week. Amp Booth is all done except for door wall. Insulated, rough wired, etc. Ceiling joists and rim boards, 5/8" drywall and 3/4" advantech over the 2x10s. The floor will be the tricky part...

Talk soon.

Jon

Martha Bern · Post by **Martha Bern** » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:27 pm

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Soundman2020 · Post by **Soundman2020** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:40 am

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