Can anyone tweak this layout for me?

Plans and things, layout, style, where do I put my near-fields etc.

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Post by knightfly »

John - "don't forget guys that you can have a plywood backing on a cloud and still have 703 on the bottom surface. You can angle them to break up a parallel ceiling" -

I thought Jeff was asking about clouds for an ALREADY sloped ceiling - othewise I'd have mentioned that approach, as it's a really good way to break up a full 8 foot ceiling. In fact, that's what I'm looking at doing in the bedroom that's going to rescue my sanity til I get to the REAL "toybox"...

Jeff, first off you should ALWAYS either use fire rated cloth over your absorbers or buy spray treatment to make it fire retardent.

Second, a foot of air between light and absorber is enough, unless you're using focussed infrared bulbs :roll:

Third, if you've ever played pool (billiards, sort of) you can sit at the mix position and look up - ANYWHERE on the ceiling that you could hit with a billiard shot and the next bounce would hit a speaker (including as much "english" as you could possibly put on the ball) that place should be absorbed. Same is true for the 2 foot area AROUND that imaginary impact point. Other than that, if the sound misses the absorber on the way up, it will probably pass thru it on the way back. Use some basic geometry here, draw it out if necessary -

One scenario that works is a cloud, about 4 feet x 8 feet, centered halfway between mix position and speakers, the 8 foot dimension running side to side - this could be surrounded by track lights (air gap of course) if you need that much light.

As John pointed out, I forgot to mention that a LEVEL ceiling can be improved by using plywood backed 703, purposely tilted so that it reflects sounds to the rear of the room - if you do that, in order to NOT have parallel surfaces anywhere in the sweet spot I would overlap these panels down the center of the room, with ZERO places where floor and ceiling are parallel - you can put track lighting along the SIDES , aimed to cover the areas under these tilted clouds.

In order for this to be completely effective, the plywood backed clouds should be 1 foot closer to the ceiling at the rear edge than at the front edge. This gives just over 12 degrees of splay... Steve
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Post by Fieryjack »

Steve, apoligize for the crude drawing....but do you mean something like this on the clouds? I like your suggestion of track lighting on the outside edges, pointing in.

Also, I am confused on how to splay the walls on the front of the CR. Thks, jeff
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Post by Fieryjack »

Or are the clouds more like this??? Still don't know about splaying front end too...
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Post by knightfly »

Jeff, there are as many ways to do these things as there are people doing them - I'm not sure where you are in construction, so it's hard to offer suggestions. Do you already have any walls or ceilings up, or still in the planning stages? Do you intend to have your REAL ceiling(s) sloped or level? And, I thought you already had a floor plan that showed splayed walls for the control room?

Sorry, but I need an update of status quo so I know what to recommend... Steve
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Post by qiktune »

How about a corner control room?

Are my designs/layouts ok or am I way off track?

Thanks
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Post by John Sayers »

Brett - stop fucking around :lol: :lol:

you're design is fine - BUILD IT!! :):)

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Post by qiktune »

LMFAO...thanks John

Just making sure I get this thing right the first time...also trying to make the most of the space,hell if I can get two different tracking environments in there then why not.

Something thats intrigued me since I started lurking here and at the homerecording forum is the comment made over and over again, and that is to shoot your monitors down the length of your CR.

Other pro studios I've recorded in which include JMF Studio (Bankstown), A# Studio (Riverwood) and my time spent at both SAE (the original studio in Elizabeth St, Sydney) and Studio 301 (the new one) I've noticed just the opposite. They all have their monitors across the widest wall (all of these CR's are much wider than they are deep)....could you explain this for me please?

Thanks again

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Post by John Sayers »

the idea is to send the signal past you and absorb it on your back wall. The longer the distance the better so that any reflections that come back aren't within the 18 - 20 msec range. I only know the 301 room and it's pretty big if I remember correctly - mind you it doesn't have a good reputation as being a great room. The new SAE room in Byron is similar and it's just a big square box lined to the hilt with 4" sonex foam. You mightn't have noticed that the rear wall is actually deeper than you see because of the rear bass trapping.

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