Live room rescue!

fathed · Post by **fathed** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:58 pm

ok... sorry to dig this thread out of the abyss!

Thnak all of you again forr your help, I have attempted a couple times to get the owners to go this route, and they are very concerened about the loss of floor space.... are there any ther options you guys can think of?

Thanks again, this forum has been invaluable to me, lots and lots of well spent time lurking here!

barefoot · Post by **barefoot** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:10 am

Threads from the grave are always welcome.

They own a nearly square studio space. That's BAD. Other than knocking out the walls, you have to angle them to get any meainiful improvement. You can angle them horizontally or vertically, but either way you're going to loose usable floor space.

They just need to ask themselves if having 415 sqft of bad sounding space is more valuable than 375 sqft of good sounding space?

Thomas

fathed · Post by **fathed** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:30 am

Hey, I am right there with you.. just wanted to make sure I was exhausting all the options before I present it to them that way

SRS Audio · Post by **SRS Audio** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:20 pm

Ok once more this thread shall rear its ugly head.. I have yet another screen name, sotrry for the confusion, and thank you John for getting be back online..

The powers that be here want to be able to do more live band recording, and have still ( mercifuly as it turns out ) not done any acoustical treatment to the room, since it would be getting torn out now

I have quickly done a drawing in Qcad ( I am on a mac) that I am going to try and post as a PDF, showing a rough idea of waht they need to accomplish, essentially , they need to gain 2 iso botths, one at least 7 x 8 and one large enough to fit a singer in, 4 x 8 maybe ( these are not hard and fast dimentions, just rough guidelines ) the red lines are the existing control room windo, and the two sliders, that will probablly be replaced with walls and doors to make amp rooms ( the sliders, so you can treat those as walls if need be) the CR glass will stay, they do not want to change anything in that room. the Blue lines are the "new" walls, agasin, these are just ideas, they can def move, but they need to be on that side of the room, and there needs to be at least 2 of them. The green lines are where there would be windows to allow communnication, not large. There would need to be solid doors added obiviously.( most likely double doors and double walls I imagine, they are wanting to track a vocal in there and a kit in the larger portion to the left.

help!

Thanks!

SRS Audio · Post by **SRS Audio** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:21 pm

maybe this needs to go to the construction forum now?

Thanks again.

SRS Audio · Post by **SRS Audio** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:25 pm

bump, as per Johns message in the design forum...

not trying to seem pushy, Thanks!

Post by **John Sayers** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:19 pm

Steve - I agree with thomas in breaking up the angles in the room but if you want the room to be a LIVE room I wouldn't add any absorption at all. The more angular you can make it and the more diffusive surfaces you can add the better IMO. So I wouldn't have anything behind the diffusors Thomas added.

cheers
john

SRS Audio · Post by **SRS Audio** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:25 pm

John, thanks for the Reply, I am now just realizing ( DOH!) that the pdf I uploaded need to be down loaded and as such isnt really visable readily.. they want to "cut" up the room and make 2 more iso booths, and I am at a loss as to how big these rooms can/should be, or how to then make them acoustically sound, both for transmission from each other and sonically.

Sorry if I appear anxious, and thank for very much for your time.

Post by **John Sayers** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:39 pm

that's fine to aqdd the iso rooms but why all square? use the additions to angle tha walls from each other.

here is the pic.

cheers
john

barefoot · Post by **barefoot** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:43 pm

I thought the original room already had two iso booths? Now they want to add more small rectangular booths? Seems to me they're hell bent on making this space completely useless for its intended purpose.

Thomas

SRS Audio · Post by **SRS Audio** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:36 pm

*Raises hands in surrender*

I agree about angling the walls, this was the rough idea they had, and I am tryig to learn the Qcad software I was using. The reasoning behind another two booths is :

1) the current boots are very low ceiling, and the cieling is just 1/2" drywall screwed to the joists . ( no I was not in the lop during construction reallt, and when i did show up and suggested things like doubling up on drywall leyers, i was told by the then management " well, we arent going to do that.."There is now new folks in charge and they want to make the room useable without flushign the current space down the tiolet and / or spending unnessacarily.

2) they really want ot be able to record a smallish band live, and have seperation between acoustic guitars and drums, etc. my thinking is that if the two new booths are built properly, they will serve as isolated spaces, there are no neighbors, so as long as it isnt thundering or raining hard outside the iso between the other larger room and the outside is not as critical to them.

3) the origianl "design" ahd two iso on the east wall that were seprated from the big room by sliding glass doors ( stock home depot doors) that offer next to zero TL. My thought is to maybe make the top iso slider into a proper wall with smallish window and use the bottom iso as an airlock/mic storage room ( also losing the slider) that way one of the two isos becomes somewhat useful and there is not a wall of glass there for no good reason.

The larger space would be approx 15 x 19 ( dependign on what you all fell is best) and have a cieling that is vaulted from approx 8' to 14 '..

Again Thanks for all the help!

Post by **John Sayers** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:34 pm

So you are looking at a room like this?

cheers
john