FINISHED IN 2020! Sharward's Partial Garage Conversion

JohnGardner · Post by **JohnGardner** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:29 am

Keith,
I understand the principle of Green Glue however would it not be possible to use any old glue in the same manner.
How about if I "painted" my walls with PVA glue and then screwed another layer of wallboard on. Do you think this would have the same effect. Glue is glue after all.
Just curious that's all.
JohnG

Post by **sharward** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:43 am

Glue may be glue, John, but if you've never worked with Green Glue, you can't appreciate how unique it is. When wet it has the consistency of something between shave cream and shave gel, and when it sets, it has the consistency of very sticky chewing gum that never hardens. It is truly unlike any product I've ever experienced.

So, you really should not try to apply any Green Glue concepts with an entirely different product. The results could very well be worse than if you hadn't used the experimental product at all. The Green Glue independent lab tests and specifications are credible and impressive.

Post by **sharward** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:46 am

Bryan, you can mark my words: This is the first and almost surely the last studio I'll ever build, so "experimentation" is most certainly not what I want to do. I want to get this right the first time because it's going to be with me for 10, 20, 30 years! Really!

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:38 pm

If I planned to stay in the Detroit area indefinitely I'd have tat opinion, but this business is fluid.

Post by **sharward** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:25 am

Unfortunately, the "foundation manicure" is indeed very labor intensive... I'm progressing at a rate of about one linear foot per hour.

My iimpact hammer rental is due back at 9 AM tomorrow in order to get that "three days for the price of one due to the holidays" deal, and I doubt I'll be done, even after spending most of today chipping away.

So far I have about six feet done along the west wall. The south and east walls haven't even been started yet.

However, it's not all doom and gloom... I probably dun't need to chip off nearly as much off those other wall foundations. My air gap will be wider along the east wall, since that's the wall closest to my neighbor... And I can and should afford to lose a couple of inches off the south (back) wall due to the triple-leaf situation there.

Did I mention that this process is boring as hell?

len-morgan · Post by **len-morgan** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:52 am

JohnGardner wrote:I understand the principle of Green Glue however would it not be possible to use any old glue in the same manner.

John,

Green Glue is NOT glue. In fact their web site specifically says DON'T use it like glue! The name is unfortunate, in fact I don't even think it's green - maybe Keith can chime in on that one.

What makes it work is that you essentially get a layer of "rubber" between the two sheets that absorbs some of the vibration from the first sheet before passing a lower signal to the second sheet.

Any kind of regular glue would bond the sheets together into one thicker sheet for accoustic purposes. I believe it's been stated here that there really isn't a benefit to using 1" drywall as opposed two sheets of 1/2" just screwed together so IMHO, two naked sheets or two sheets with GG in between.

len

Post by **sharward** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:14 am

Green it is. You can see my post with details of my Green Glue application experience, including a photo.

Post by **sharward** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:22 am

Here's another shot of the progress, however little it may be...

I'm working on that "hell corner" now, where the contractor did a fabulously terrible job keeping the concrete within the finished perimeter of the slab.

Oh, and to make things worse, the clamp on the second handle on the impact hammer broke off, so now I have to hold the tool in a more awkward fashion...

At this rate, I'll definitely not finish before it's time to return it. I'm probably looking at another weekend (or two?

) of effort... And rental bills...

But, I shall not despair -- at least I am making progress, and there's a certain C L N E S S factor in seeing all of this taking shape!

Fred'e · Post by **Fred'e** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:17 am

I'll give you that Keith

When cali goes to the bottom of the pacific you'll... oh sorry....

Remarks to wall project; that looks like it had to be easier than filling the walls with sand. Well done. Shiet I was viewing your beefed up walls. Very good job filling the cavities with sheetrock.

Good luck on that corner. If it were "I", well, I would go get concrete bits and a hamber drill and drill every couple inchs around the corner and bust it out with a sledge hammer. IMHO
Fred'e

Post by **sharward** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:28 pm

Hey, Fred'e -- thanks for dropping by!

Make yourself homely.

Fred'e wrote:I'll give you that Keith
When cali goes to the bottom of the pacific you'll... oh sorry....

Nahhh, that won't happen. But if Folsom dam blows...

...Then you're going to see "New Orleans, Part II" and it won't be pretty!!

Remarks to wall project; that looks like it had to be easier than filling the walls with sand. Well done.

Thanks.

Actually, filling walls with sand isn't a wise thing to do... Unless they're concrete block walls, of course.

Shiet I was viewing your beefed up walls. Very good job filling the cavities with sheetrock.

Thanks!

It's probably overkill, but what the heck.

Good luck on that corner. If it were "I", well, I would go get concrete bits and a hamber drill and drill every couple inchs around the corner and bust it out with a sledge hammer. IMHO

Well, actually I'm pleased to report that I just finished up the corner. It was stubborned as all hell, but I prevailed in the end!

Unfortunately, I'm only done with one wall and I was hoping to be done with all three tonight.

Oh, well... No worries. Just more work and more time needed to do it. It's not like I have contractors or deliveries lined up with a critical project time line!

While I've been mindlessly chipping away at the foundation, I've been giving some serious detailed thought into how I'll manage setting up the forms, perimeter isolation boards, etc. I think I've got the killer plan in my head... I'll sketch it soon and post it for all to behold and critique.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:46 am

Boring..Wherea re your buddies to chide you as you work...

Post by **sharward** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:08 pm

Somehow, whenever the manual labor begins, they're nowhere to be found!

Nawww, but seriously... I'm not afraid to ask for help when I need it -- but I'm trying to savor those "favor cards" for when I really need it!

Post by **sharward** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:43 am

I wanted to reiterate my thoughts from a few posts back about a possible change of outer leaf ceiling plan. Thoughts, anyone?

Fred'e · Post by **Fred'e** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:34 am

Interesting that you brought this up, I have been agonizing over this same dilemma.
I think this pic will show the strength of a 2x4. As this KD Him-fer 2x4 lifted this 900 pound beam to the rafters. It did bow this 2x4.
The only reason I would use 2x6s in a studio ceiling is they are much more rigid than a 2x4. With your humidity lvls and bug problems, I’m guessing, you might want that bit more life span. If I was doing this in Tuscon, or LA I would use steel.

Probably, disreguard as you were speaking of the resiliant channel, removing that is kind of your choice, but disimiliar materials is just that.

Pennywizz6 · Post by **Pennywizz6** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:43 am

Looks good, making progress thats for sure but it looks like there is quite a bit left

Do you think completely isolating the base will add a significant amount of isolation that its worth all that effort? Seems overkill, but it will def be isolated

BTW, i was looking at your avatar and is that a Gretsch Drums Catalina Birch 5-Piece Fusion Drum Set... with a Pearl kick head? Right now i have a "crappy" if you will, Ludwig Accent 5 piece, its oversized everything and has too much power for my studio environment. I got the Ludwig for free from a buddy so it works for now but will eventually get a more suited kit when I start making money

I was looking at the Gretsch Catalina 5 piece and if that is what you use let me know how ya like it

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