Corner framing detail

[knightfly]

Tmix asked this in a different forum, thought I'd add it where it belongs -

I understand your typical contruction tecniques for building wall corners (inside type).
Is there anything different that needs to be done for building corners where you are supporting the multiple leafs.
Under typical construction tecniques you would only have a small 1-1/2 " edge. After you put a couple of layers of rock on, it seems you would not have anything to nail to. Would'nt it be better to space a stud say.. 2-3 inches off each corner stud assy just to hang the multiple layers on and simply caulk the inside corners where they meet in the inside corner.

I didn't remember doing such a detail, so I drew this - Steve

[DreaminDrumBeats]

This is how I would do it for the interior walls

[DreaminDrumBeats]

And outside corners like this.

[John Sayers]

I thought it was like this.

cheers
john

[DreaminDrumBeats]

Looks like that would work too. I'm just going by what I know from framing houses everyday.

[knightfly]

Those all would work; but I'm pretty sure the way I drew is stronger and easier to build. Also John, you cheated and drew a single frame wall

[DreaminDrumBeats]

You know something I didn't even notice Johns was a single layer framed wall..

Now I have a question Steve how would you keep the walls plumb if you can't brace while putting the sheetrock up?

[knightfly]

One way, if you're not building "inside out" walls, is to build frames on the floor, tip up, put a temporary diagonal (make sure you plumb the frame at this time) at one end of each frame section until you have at least the first sheet of wallboard fastened, then that sheet becomes your "diagonal brace" and you hang the rest of the layer.

This requires being careful not to rack the frame during tip-up, or you'll weaken the nailing somewhat.

Once you get the inner frames up and plumbed, fastening North to East will lock them so the wall sections stay plumb. You may need sway bracing in some situations, which you can either buy from places like Kineticsnoise.com (they don't sell direct, you'll need to go to one of their dealers) or Mason industries, or you can do the DIY route if you're into that. main thing is, no HARD contact between inner and outer wall frames or you've just thrown away about 10 dB of isolation... Steve

[DreaminDrumBeats]

im going to show my ingnorance. some of the terms you use are a bit confusing. what do you mean by inside out walls?

[knightfly]

Doni, sorry about that; long-time members generally know about John's earlier projects, now no longer controlled by him -

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_mate ... /Walls.htm

Still tons of good info at that site, if ya got a few weeks to look around (and it's worth it) ... Steve

[Arsenic]

Could anyone point me to a thread explaining how the ceiling would work with the double frame wall?

Is it basically a box in a box?

My JamRoom build thread: http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewt ... =2&t=13825

[rabbitgeeks]

Doni, sorry about that; long-time members generally know about John's earlier projects, now no longer controlled by him -

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_mate ... /Walls.htm

Still tons of good info at that site, if ya got a few weeks to look around (and it's worth it) ... Steve

Hello Steve, Thanks you, John, Rod, Stuart and so many cool guys here, I learned a lot of invaluable knowledges about studio design and Constuction, even more than the sum I got from our chinese forums and books in several years（I don't know why this site is blocked by china's internet greatwall, I have to use proxy to vist here ). After I join here I spent many time to study, profit a lot from these pages you recommended, really thanks!

I'm very interested in john's Inside-Out design, it's suit my poorly small house, and I think It will be suit many chinese musicians like me. In my coutry to have a decent home is extremly cost, most people can only rent a small house instead of buy or build one. So a moveble, low estate cost design is very attractive.

The first time I saw this design is in John's "Small Studio" sketch up file, beautiful but lack of constrcting details. Then I found the link you gived which link to saecollege.de, unfortunately, all images was dead there, only text description is hard to understand some details like caulk, constructing order, ceilling-wall joint etc. Do I have another way to learn the details of this design?

And I found some folks here said them don't like the Inside-Out design, but did'nt clarify why. Could you tell me what's drawbacks of it please?

And sorry for my dull funny English.

----------------Feng in Chengdu.

[Soundman2020]

Hi there Feng, and welcome!

I don't know why this site is blocked by china's internet greatwall, I have to use proxy to vist here

I heard that they block a lot of stuff, for sometimes strange reasons... But at least you can get through with the proxy, so that's good!

Then I found the link you gived which link to saecollege.de, unfortunately, all images was dead there

Actually, John wrote that manual! And the original version, with all the images, is right here:

http://johnlsayers.com/Recmanual/index.htm

And I found some folks here said them don't like the Inside-Out design, but did'nt clarify why. Could you tell me what's drawbacks of it please?

Inside-out walls are harder to build, as you have to build them laying down on the floor, with the drywall in place, then lift them up into position. And they are VERY heavy, so it's not easy to do that. But apart from that, I can't think of any other major drawbacks.

And sorry for my dull funny English.

It's fine! No problem at all. And your English is waaaay better than my Chinese (which is "nothing at all")!


- Stuart -

[rabbitgeeks]

Hi there Feng, and welcome!

I don't know why this site is blocked by china's internet greatwall, I have to use proxy to vist here

I heard that they block a lot of stuff, for sometimes strange reasons... But at least you can get through with the proxy, so that's good!

Then I found the link you gived which link to saecollege.de, unfortunately, all images was dead there

Actually, John wrote that manual! And the original version, with all the images, is right here:

http://johnlsayers.com/Recmanual/index.htm

And I found some folks here said them don't like the Inside-Out design, but did'nt clarify why. Could you tell me what's drawbacks of it please?

Inside-out walls are harder to build, as you have to build them laying down on the floor, with the drywall in place, then lift them up into position. And they are VERY heavy, so it's not easy to do that. But apart from that, I can't think of any other major drawbacks.

And sorry for my dull funny English.

It's fine! No problem at all. And your English is waaaay better than my Chinese (which is "nothing at all")!


- Stuart -

Thank you Stuart! Sorry I didn't notice that you have replied me. About one week ago, I PM john to ask my question and john answered with open arms. very kind people you are, I'm really appreciated~ Now I'm planning to build my studio, I post my skp files here, but just isolation section, not sound treatment yet. If you have some spare time, please look here and ready be shocked by my poorly shack!~
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewt ... =1&t=18458

By the way, I once read you post which about build your studio, I've carefully read every pages and comments, and analysed your skp file, checked that shiny drumkit ,that teach me a lot. your tight logic and detailed words makes things quite easy to understand, thanks!~ I remember that post was writed several years ago, and you didn't finish it at the end of that post, how is it now?

- Feng

[Soundman2020]

Right, mine isn't finished yet. I realized that my budget was inadequate, and I don't want to get stuck half way with no money, so my project is on hold until I have the budget in place. In the mean time, I seem to be building lots of places for other people, and I don't even have mine done yet! But I'll get there one day.

Thanks for asking!


- Stuart -