Indiana Home Studio Build

Started by doublehelix on 28 April 2007. 395 replies, 2007–2010. In the Library under Build diaries. Key posts in this thread.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 8698.

Eran wrote:
Did you solder the entire box on the floor? I can't imagine how you would do that.
Yeah, about killed myself!!! It really, really, really sucked!!! My back (which was already killing me from doing the floor), my knees, my hips... Arrrgggg!!! The pain and the agony!!! ;) Hehe... it did get pretty frustrating. I would solder one jack, and then get up and stretch for a while. It really was not a fun job, especially with those damned combo jacks. Yuck!
Eran wrote:
Aren't you almost done yet?
Getting there! I have all the acoustic treatment in the live room to do, and a bit more wiring, and then all the floorboards. Once that is done, I can clean out all the construction materials in the iso room, and do that floor and the floorboards. Then, I am "done"! Maybe 2 more weeks??? ("-ish")
xSpace wrote:
That breakout box is just the right distance from the floor to set a refreshment on. That is, if you have been working long hours on a body breaking job...and you have! Be good to yourself, you deserve it
I was thinking along those same lines!!! Problem is, at this point, I can't bend that far over to get to the damn thing!!! Ahhh... my aching back!
xSpace wrote:
Man I was in pain in places that shouldn't even have nerve endings for days!!!!
Yeah, me too.... I need a couple of days of rest I am thinking!!! I am actually going out of town tonight through Wednesday night, which should give me the rest I need. Thanks for the kind words guys... pushing through to the end!
jwl wrote:
A comment about your cloud: the difference between a 2" 3" or 4" ceiling cloud will be the frequency to which it absorbs.
Thanks! I was mostly concerned about ceiling reflections rather than absorption, but some absorption would obviously be nice as well. This panel is being designed to go in the live room over the drums, so I am concerned about reflections getting back into the OH mics. The frame itself is going to be made from 1X4 planks, which means in reality they are 3.5" wide. Due to the low ceilings (7.5'), I don't want to go any thicker than that. I will be spacing them off of the ceiling about 3-4". About the thickest that I could make the panels is going to be 3" of fiberglass. The other option is to make the frame from 1X6 planks (5.5" wide), which would restrict the ceiling height too much. I would rather have less absorption and more height over the drums for this application I think.
jwl wrote:
Also, make sure the wood panels that face down, that the lights are mounted into, are not at the exact first reflection points if possible. Have the wood take up as little surface area as possible.
Once again, this cloud is going to go over the drum area not in the CR so first reflection points are going to be hard to determine. I am trying to think ahead to where the drums are going to be placed, and where I normally place OH mics. Thanks for the heads up however, as it gives me something to think about to make sure I keep it in mind. Would there be any benefit to recessing the flat wood panels up into the cloud by a small amount (0.5" or so)??? Thanks for your input!!!
For a drum cloud the principles are the same. I'd make it as thick as possible since the drum kit will produce some low frequencies. Acoustically, I don't think it'd be much difference if the slats are recessed.
The soldering is finally done! Ya-hoo! Every jack has been tested for continuity and phase, and I am happy to say that we have 100% success!!! :) Here are a few of the panels:
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Next up, I needed to wire up my live room monitors before I could build my corner traps. The reason as you can see, is that I wanted to hide the wiring behind the traps as best as I could. As you can also see, due to some *more* poor planning on my part, I have wall panels right at that 17" mark where the corner traps need to go. This time however, I was able to come up with a solution that does not involve cutouts in the traps like I had to do in the control room. These first couple of pictures show the line outs leading to the LR speakers. I soldered 90 degree TRS plugs onto the end of the balanced cables (what a pain, I might add!), and then routed some small slots on the back of my corner trap frames to be able to fit the cables between the wall and the frames. The one AC outlet that you can see in the trap area will be covered and not used.
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Next, the wires were run along and up the wall, and out the top of the corner trap frame. Remember, all of this wire will be behind the trap, and you will not see it.
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Once outside of the trap, I left space for the trim work, and then routed the cable through some surface-mounted conduit.
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On the *other* side of the room, I ran the electrical cables using the same method as I did with the audio cables.
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Here is the "finished" product. Remember that both corners will be covered by corner traps, and there will also be crown molding along the top of the wall, so once it is all wrapped up, it should look "passable".
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Here is the back of one of the speakers. I am using a temporary power cable until I can get down to the store to buy one of the short ones.
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I tested the speakers out, and they sound awesome in the room considering there is no treatment up yet to speak of. It was a boatload of work and money just to get sound into the live room, but in the long run, it will be worth it. Quick-and-dirty playbacks for the band, plus for setup/teardown/chillout music. I made a bit more progress with the corner traps, but last night was my daughter's birthday, and my son was designated as the "official camera man" and ended up running off my camera! I'll post some more progress in a few days. Left to do: -Acoustic treatment (including drum cloud) -Floorboards and ceiling trim -Final touch-up work (filling nail holes, HVAC covers, the banister for the stairs, etc.) -Buy two nice large oriental rugs for the floor
This is wonderful. Congratulations on a job well done Doublehelix. /Gash
Thanks Gash! Had a long weekend of commitments that didn't give me any time to spend in the studio. Live gigs on Friday and Saturday, lots of other special events and out of town family visitors... I have started on the corner traps, and have them framed in, but I ran out of rigid fiberglass, so I need to pick up another load next week. I am out of town for a few days, so the serious work won't start until the weekend unfortunately. Here you can see how far I got with the fiberglass before I ran out!
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On another note, I got the first of two oriental rugs for the live room, along with the carpet pad underneath. We then had to move my son's drum set in to check it out! The LENRDs that you see on the side walls will go away once I get the acoustic treatment complete... They are just there to help out a bit in the mean time.
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I also bought all the materials to start on my ceiling cloud for the drum area. I had to get prime grade wood since it will be exposed (Ouch! $$$$$!!!), along with all of the hardware and screws. Next week, I will pick up the fiberglass as mentioned above, plus all of the fabric for the acoustic treatment and the cloud.
Now that's a rug!! :D :D Looking great James - Have a safe trip. Regards, Lou. 8)
Lou wrote:
Now that's a rug!! :D :D
Haha! Yeah, and I have its matching partner on order as well! Crazy, eh? Nothing wild like the orange couch I have seen in someone's studio!!! ;) I am just plain, ol' boring James, hiding in his little Hobbit hole! ;)
Lou wrote:
Looking great James - Have a safe trip.
Thanks my friend! I will!
Looking amazing DH! I've been quietly following your build too and its just fantastic! You have so much space, but with the colours achieved a nice intimate vibe - looks just right :D Some nice looking gear you have there too! It puts me in my place when you've got 20/20's as your live room playbacks and I'm using them for my mains :oops: :D Loving the work, its a beautiful place and I'm sure you'll knock out some great records in the near future! Gareth
Ha! I just got myself a new rug for my drums to sit on. Now that's a decision! James - looks like you'll be done fairly soon? Any eta on the grand opening?
Hey Brad! Long time no see!!! No ETA on the "grand opening", but I am hoping within a few weeks. I am going on a week's holiday here in a few days, so nothing will happen during that time... Here is the weekend update from this past weekend. It seemed like we worked pretty hard, and spent many long hours toiling away, but the ultimate progress was a bit less than I had hoped for. Most of the time was spent working on my ceiling cloud to go over the drums. It some ways, the cloud is really just three bass traps that are hung on the ceiling, but they were a lot of work nonetheless. I am not much of a carpenter, and detail work like this takes me forever to fix all my mistakes with tons of wood putty, and LOTS of sanding! I sanded these puppies for hours! Just as a refresher from a few posts back, here is my conceptual drawing for the cloud. Basically, it is three pieces, with the outer two sections containing lights, and the inner piece just a basic "box". Each of the three sections will contain 3" of rigid fiberglass measuring 2' X 4'. I started off by tackling the easier middle section first. The wood is premium grade pine that is pretty smooth already and free from most blemishes. Since the wood will be showing, I wanted it to look somewhat decent. Your can see the angle brackets that I used for the inside. I wanted to eliminate any screws that might show from the outside, so I used Gorilla Glue, some small braids (that I puttied and sanded), and then these angle brackets for strength. You can see Pierce slaving away on cutting fiberglass triangles for the corner traps in the background...
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Next up, I got cracking on one of the more complicated side sections... There is Pierce still sawing away at the fiberglass triangles!!!
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Here you can see all the wood putty I used to seal all the cracks and seams.
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Then sanded (and sanded... and sanded.... and sanded....)...
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Stained...
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Then 5 coats of polyurethane.
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Next up, I built the fabric frame out of 1/2" X 3/4" stock.
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And covered it with off-white burlap fabric. This is the first time I have used burlap to cover any traps, and I have so say that I do not like it. It is much cheaper than the Ponte fabric I have been using, but it is much more difficult to work with as it does not really have much stretch to it, plus it just does not look as nice. It will have to "do" for now.
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And here is the finished fabric frame inside the middle cloud section.
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And here are the three sections with the fabric frames fitted. Next up, I will fill them with 3" of rigid fiberglass, add the lights, and then complete the mounting rig. Seems like an awful lot of work for a stinking ceiling cloud!!!
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At the same time, we were hard at work finishing the corner traps. Once again, I misjudged the amount of fiberglass I needed, and was only able to complete 2 full traps, with a third one about 1/3 full. Dang! Off to the store once again this coming week to get another load. This stuff is expensive, plus I have to drive about 45 minutes each way to pick it up. A bit of a pain. I did save enough to complete the ceiling traps however.
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I was also able to get the mic closet doors painted as well. Here is a shot of the doors after the first coat.
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So, what's next? 1) Finish the clouds 2) Finish the rest of the corner traps 3) Build a bunch of "standard" bass traps for the walls 4) Floor boards and ceiling trim where needed 5) Fill nail holes!!! 6) Finishing touches (closet doors, HVAC covers, banister, etc.) 7) Clean and finish the iso room (it has been used as a storage room for so long, I forgot what it is supposed to look like!) 8 ) At some point, I will need to decide how I am going to finish the stairs... either carpet or wood. Getting there...
Wow... That cloud looks really nice!! 5 coats of polyurethane???? :shock: :lol:
GREAT work, looks brill! hope it sounds brill too :)
"Every cloud has a silver lining!" :D Great job DH - They look great! Have a good holiday Dude :wink: Regards, Lou. 8)
Thanks as always for the comments guys... much appreciated. I am going to have to put something silver inside of the clouds so that they *can* have a silver lining. Very clever Lou! :)
Eran wrote:
5 coats of polyurethane????
Hehe... yeah, believe it or not! That picture however was actually taken after the first coat, so there were four more coats after that! The final pictures with the fabric loaded were after all five coats.
rod gervais wrote:
looking REAL good DH, nice job Rod
Wow! Thanks Rod! My whole studio has been built using your book as a guide, so to hear you say that means a lot. Ro: Wow! Me in a Sticky??? Pretty cool! I am actually on a week's holiday down on the beaches in Florida, and nothing is being done on the studio at the moment. I'll be home on Wednesday night, and don't have to go back to work until Monday, so that gives me a few days to get things caught up. That is if my sunburn doesn't keep me away! ;)
Burned and Sticky? Yep, that is Florida! Have a good one. Got sunscreen?
Wow man... What a fantastic job you're pulling there... Superb.!!!! :wink: I think your entire post should be a sticky... There are great posts in this forum but yours really (and i mean REALLY) inspired me and gave me lots of ideas for my build. If everithing goes right i'll start uilding in Jan-09. Hopefully i'll have my own diary and would love to hear your input. Keep those pics coming and again congratulations on a well done job!! P.S: That cloud came out way better than I could imagine. I want to see it hangin over the drums (By the way I'm a drummer LOL). Best regards from Argentina, god bless.
xSpace wrote:
Burned and Sticky? Yep, that is Florida! Have a good one. Got sunscreen?
Ha! Funny! We have been having a great time, and yes, I keep myself pretty lubed up with a ton of sunscreen. Actually, we are in the Pensacola area, so are not too far from Alabama, although I am not sure where you are in Alabama. We take I-65 all the way through to get back to Indiana however. I'll wave as I pass!!!
ale-recording wrote:
Wow man... What a fantastic job you're pulling there... Superb.!!!!
Gee, thanks man! :oops: Hopefully, you can learn from some of my stupid mistakes, and your build will go a bit more smoothly than mine did. I look forward to reading your build thread, best of luck!
James - Have you always been this nice or is it something you've perfected with age? :wink: :wink: You're a top fellow dude and, one day, our paths will cross - that, I promise. :P Great job again, but what's with the sunscreen crap? :wink: Muso = Cool = Ego = Tan = Just lay there and get........................Muso'd :lol: :lol: Much love to you and yours as always my friend, :wink: Kindest regards, Lou. 8) (Don't tell the forum about all the wiring I've still to do! :roll: :roll: )
Oh yeah - and wave to your right too, as you travel back north ! I'm about 4,000 miles over there! (Opposite direction to sun - big hot burny bright thingy in the sky!) HA! :lol: :lol: :lol: Re...................ds :wink: Lou. 8)
" We take I-65 all the way through to get back to Indiana however. I'll wave as I pass!!! " /quote Yea, I-10 to 65 north exchange is a few miles past Dauphin Island Parkway in Mobile. Watch out for those "seasonal road workers". I saw one guy "sprint" across four lanes of morning traffic while holding on to his pants with one hand and what looked like a coffee in the other! Never looked one time either way!!! Drunks and children right;)
Lou wrote:
James - Have you always been this nice or is it something you've perfected with age? :wink: :wink:
"F" You Mate! (better? ;) )
Lou wrote:
You're a top fellow dude and, one day, our paths will cross - that, I promise. :P
I hope so my friend! I look forward to it.
Lou wrote:
](Don't tell the forum about all the wiring I've still to do! :roll: :roll: )
Ha!!! Sucker!!! I finally finished all of mine... what a pain!