Here is what Ive got so far.

burnmore wrote:

The guys at Tapeop suggested that I see you guys for tips.I was also directed to buy "Build it Like a Pro" from them.I bought it and read most of it. Got the whole thing wired this weekend.here are the pics

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heres the structure from the outside in. plywood siding,osb(mdf on these boards),tar paper,tyvek homewrap,studs with r 19 stuffed in between(paper side facing inward),quiet brace structural sheathing with sound control qualities(temple inland co.)and 5/8" drywall.All of the listed will be caulked with silicone or something of that nature.the ceiling will be drywall,and quiet brace with blown in insulation in the space between the roof and ceiling.the floor will be solid oak hardwood with sound absorbing pad underneath on top of 3/4" treated plywood which is screwed into the floor joists.about two feet above the dirt. any comment, suggetions would be helpfull budget is almost blown.I have enough for the paint a/c drywall insulation, soundboard.The electrical is finished(not in the pics)Total budget so far is 10k.Ive done evrything(besides standing up the walls and trusses) by myself.And my step father did the electrical work.

thats a little budget and a BIG space from what i can see. your best bet to get some replies is floor plans, more pics, and maybe some more detail on what in particular you're doing in each 'area' i feel like i say this every time i post, but get Rod's book. its a big sticky on top of this forum. thats a big project, you can make some costly mistakes and not even know it. one, for example, may be the silicone caulk. not just any silicone caulk will do. make sure it's acoustical caulk. i've been using OSC 175 or something like that. there is posts all over these forums about caulk. also, before you do anything, come here and RESEARCH it will be worth your time AND money

Just for the record, I directed burnmore to this forum from TapeOp. To help spur discussion, my concern is in the isolation of this design. In the original post over at TapeOp, burnmore said he plans to record "moderately loud rock bands" in this space, and that he needs isolation to not piss off the neighbors. I'm mostly concerned about the floor in this setup, it doesn't seem to me that this floor will provide much in the way of isolation. Does anyone (Rod?) have any suggestions on directing burnmore for his isolation requirements?

I have read Rods Book.Im just wondering if anyone has any insite before going forward and installing the sheetrock.My primary concern is getting a great sound while recording.Im not too worried about my neighbors as we are on good terms.I can always stop playing drums after 9 oclock if needed.My Hood is pretty quiet so not concerned about noise getting in. By the way the room dimentions are 16' x 24' (outside walls) and you may or may not be able to tell that I vaulted the ceilings.

I'm sorry to see this. You need to stop building right now and get some expert consultation before continuing or attempting any mitigation. Slab on grade would have been many orders of magnitude better than what you've got going there:. I'm 100% with jwl on the floor doubts, and that's just one weak area... You've got plenty of others. You cannot assume being on good terms with neighbors and not planning to be loud after a certain time of day is sufficient. Neighbors move and Murphy's Law dictates that the most seemingly "uncool" (and legally right) person will move in and complain to authorities. Besides, with that construction, your cool neighbors won't be cool for long. My city increased its penalty for repeat noise ordinance offenses from $500 to $1,000 per incident. Carefully study the "Permits/Codes/Licenses" sticky thread. I wish I had the luxury of time to guide you further... A family emergency has me stretched extremely thin right now. --Keith :mrgreen:

"that kind of construction" wtf does that mean? Its a solid building. I couldnt afford to put in a slab so thats why its pier and beam. Im not going to stop beacause its too late to make changes to the floors.I have seen many instances on this and other boards where people are building inside thier house and have living space above them with only joists and flooring seperating the space.This building is 30 feet from any other structure.Im currently recording inside my house and when the band is playing I can go outside and not hear much.My neighbors have told me they never hear any music at their homes.My house isnt built anywhere as solid as the studio.With almost no insulation.I,E ...sheetrock 1/2 " then r 12 then siding.My house also has shitty windows which leak a lot of sound.I believe that the studio will be sufficiant.I wasnt looking for a reason to quit building>thanks for your input.Try and think of it as double walled with 30 feet of airspace between. :wink:

jwl wrote:

Just for the record, I directed burnmore to this forum from TapeOp. To help spur discussion, my concern is in the isolation of this design. In the original post over at TapeOp, burnmore said he plans to record "moderately loud rock bands" in this space, and that he needs isolation to not piss off the neighbors. I'm mostly concerned about the floor in this setup, it doesn't seem to me that this floor will provide much in the way of isolation. Does anyone (Rod?) have any suggestions on directing burnmore for his isolation requirements?

JWL, i read the thread over there 3 times - and never caught him making a reference to isolation concerns - all of the concerns he expressed were related to how the room would sound. Sincerely, Rod

burnmore wrote:

"that kind of construction" wtf does that mean? Its a solid building.

Burn, first of all - calm down. He never said "with that kind of construction"- he said "with that construction" - go back and re-read it. what is meant is that it's hard to create good isolation with the construction you've chosen - not that the construction is bad. As a matter of fact - the construction looks pretty damned good to me - so I am pleasently surprised. One thing I would tell you though - you might not be as quiet outside as you think just because of the openness from below the deck to the outside air......... that's gonig to be your weak spot - even in comparison to your parents house. Now - that having been said - if you are truly not concerned about isolation - then it's time to answer your real question - which is "is there anything I should do before I sheetrock that will effect the sound of the room?" The answer is - "No." You already made all of the descisions that affect that - the room size being the largest...... your room ratio is actually almost perfectly on top of the Dolby recommendations - that's with averaging your vaulted ceiling..... Your ratio is ( I am assuming 2x6 studs since you said r-19 insulation) Room Ratio: 1 : 1.51 : 2.31 Dolby's optimum ratios for Film & Music Room" 1 : 1.493 : 2.313 So you're at a pretty good starting point. After drywall tape = paint and finished flooring - you're going to need around 690 sabins of treatments to get the room to meet ITU recommendations for control rooms RT60. If I were you - I would consider a decent amount of those being in the form of movable panels - that will help you with early reflections when you're playing in there - which will be different if you are doing a mix down. I hope that helped. Now - one last question - if you could find the time i would appreaciate you dropping me an email explaining what you felt the book was missing - I am curious about your statement "he's all over the place as far as actually showing or telling evrything that needs to be considered" Thanks, Rod

Thanks for clarifying what I meant, Rod -- yes, it's the single leaf floor that concerns me from an isolation standpoint. burnmore, understand that noise ordinances (assuming your community is governed by them) measure from the property line, not inside the neighboring houses. People have thr right to peaceful enjoyment of their homes and property, whether inside or out, windows open or closed. Construction quality for a quiet building appears to be darned good. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. But it's going to be noisy outside: that floor is going to be your worst enemy. In my opinion, you should worry about isolatuon more. --Keith :mrgreen:

rod gervais wrote:

i read the thread over there 3 times - and never caught him making a reference to isolation concerns - all of the concerns he expressed were related to how the room would sound.

Hi Rod, I saw this post and thought to myself, "no, it was clear to me from reading this that he was under the impression his design would provide good isolation." So I went back to the thread and, as you say, could find no such reference. I did see that several of his posts had been edited, so either that part has been changed, or I was hallucinating. Or my memory could be faulty, probably the most likely scenario. :twisted: So yeah. Hopefully I'm wrong and he isn't after isolation. Burnmore, let me be clear: you are gonna have a rocking studio soon, a great place to make some music. You should be proud of the work you've done so far, it looks like fine craftsmanship. Well done. Any critiques you find from me (and pretty much in general on this thread) are in the interest of helping you maximize the results of your work. You are in good hands here, listen to what these guys say.

jwl wrote:

Just for the record, I directed burnmore to this forum from TapeOp. To help spur discussion, my concern is in the isolation of this design. In the original post over at TapeOp, burnmore said he plans to record "moderately loud rock bands" in this space, and that he needs isolation to not piss off the neighbors.

With a one leaf above ground floor, I predict the neighbors will be pissed. :roll: --Keith :mrgreen:

Im not understanding the term "one leaf" The floors are 3/4" thick treated plywood.On top of that there will be a wool like underlayment its about 1/4" thick and on top of that will be 1" thick hardwood floors.Is this a one leaf floor?

in addition I am building a drum riser and all amps willl be off of the floor .Im not sure how much this will help.I plan on having "superchunks"(bass traps) in all of the corners as well as treatment for other types of standing waves.I was wondering if the treatment inside will effect the noise levels outside?I can also put a rock wall around the open area around the building.

bass traps don't help isolation, they just clear up the sound inside the room. the reason your floor might be a weak link is that the earth makes such a good vibration damper that most want their studios sitting in contact with it.

burnmore wrote:

Im not understanding the term "one leaf" The floors are 3/4" thick treated plywood.On top of that there will be a wool like underlayment its about 1/4" thick and on top of that will be 1" thick hardwood floors.Is this a one leaf floor?

Burn, Yes it is. picture a drum....... put a top head on it - that's your deck - and that is also a one leaf assembly........ A 2 leaf assembly would be putting on the bottom head........ a 3 leaf woud be fitting one inside the shell in addition to the other 2. Rod

so.. do you think putting a rock wall around the bottom open area would help?

its been a while .I have been working like a freaking slave.(regular job and construction)here it is ready for texture paint and hardwood floors.