help me with acoustics in my control room....ahh!

the thing is, my room is rather small. here are pictures of the control room. ive always had problems with low end, and low mids. it got a little better when i put the basstraps on the back wall, and helped even more when i pulled them 4" off the wall but that isnt enough, my mixes still dont translate good. bands always are like "why did you turn down the kick so much" or "i cant hear the bass" what should i do? i dont have much money to spend. i would say i need somthing behind the speakers...more then just those rockwool panels, but what. thanks in advance. Ian

another pic.

another one, sorry about the clutter in the pics...just was moving drums around and stuff.

here is how much room i have to work with on my "desk"

Ive got just about the same type of problems. If some one helps this guy Im sure it will help me too.

OK, so just to be clear if you mix so it sounds good in the room, it's too bass-heavy everywhere else you play that mix? And, are those two front corner traps the only corner traps in the room? Are the panels only 2 feet wide? 4" thick absorber, or?? What's your ceiling height, and the height to the CENTER of your woofers? Dimensions of your room, hard surface to hard surface? Dimensions from each wall to center of speakers? Same, only to your head while mixing? Floor material? If it's easier, do a basic sketch and put in dim's to/from EVERYTHING... Steve

OK, so just to be clear if you mix so it sounds good in the room, it's too bass-heavy everywhere else you play that mix? >yes, that is correct. this translate poorly, on other systems things sound bass heavy and muddy And, are those two front corner traps the only corner traps in the room? >i guess you could say that, since all my other corners have doors on them Are the panels only 2 feet wide? >they are roughly stud width apart about 16'' 4" thick absorber, or?? >yes about 4'' thick rockwool insulation What's your ceiling height, and the height to the CENTER of your woofers? >ceiling hight is about 7'3''. and the the hight of the center of the woofers is about 3'6'' off the ground Dimensions of your room, hard surface to hard surface? >heres an attachment of the dimensions roughly drawn out. front and back wall are concrete, floor is fake wood laminate over concrete. grey areas show where about i have rockwool hung up.

Id like to add a question Steve Is it ok to just lean the corner absorbers in the corners like he has them behide the monitors?

OK, I still need speaker and head positions shown with dimensions included in your drawing - the first thing I noticed is that your woofers are within an inch of dead center vertically, that needs to be changed. If you can find a way to raise the speakers by 8 or 9 inches, that's a start. Your head should ALSO NOT be centered vertically, right now your speakers (and possibly your ears) are in two axial nulls, one at 78 hZ and another at 234 hZ; if your head is centered front-to-back, there are two MORE nulls; one at k49 hZ, and another at 147 hZ. I'll have to wait for your dimensions before knowing if your speakers are in more than just the vertical nulls. If you can, those front two corner absorbers need at least TWICE as wide rockwool in front of them in order to do much, and since the rear corners are doors I would also make corner absorbers the same way, only at least 2 feet wide (3 is better) and put them across your wall-ceiling corners. So, to sum - I need to know where exactly your speakers and head are. You need to score more rockwool and build more absorbers as mentioned. You need to raise your speakers by about 9 inches, and make sure your head is also NOT centered vertically - same height as speakers if possible. Carpwftx - leaning up in corners is fine; although it's better if they're wider, thicker, and reach all the way to the ceiling. Both - check out this http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2441 For the freak :wink: use your AVERAGE dimensions - since part is 16', and part tapers to 8', I arbitrarily used 13' for width instead of halfway between 8 and 16 feet. See if raising your speakers helps any, it should - but I have a feeling it's gonna take more than that... Steve