this summer i posted a topic about building a studio from scratch, well i started. its 8x8x16 block with all the cells filled with sand (filling them with sand wasnt as easy as i thought it would be). the interior deminsions is W-24.5 x L- 35 x H- 10.2 to 9.6.
heres some pictures that describes and shows what im doing.
ideas for my layout (i really wanted a hallway and this was the only way i saw to do it.
<img src=http://audioconfusion.com/1b69bbe0.jpg>
this is how the building is built to allow for a lil slope. the north side is one block taller than the south side.
<img src=http://audioconfusion.com/1b0325d0.jpg>
this shows the angles i was gonna use in the live room. i was thinking going from 4" to 1/2" *when ullook at the wall details u can see what kind of walls ill be using for each wall. recently i heard u should do 1 foot angle for every 20 feet.
<img src=http://audioconfusion.com/1b220500.jpg>
and here are all the wall details (i hope its not too confusing)
<img src=http://audioconfusion.com/1b4c9cd0.jpg>
so i was wondering if u saw any problems with my setup and also wondering if u could maybe show me what angles u would use in the control room cause im just not sure.
also any suggestions on how to do the air conditioning (i live in az so ill definitely need that :) )
i was reading what u said about building doors out of a hollow door and making the leafs thicker, but my problem is i have two doors that got straight to the outside and im worried about weather damage. so what would be a good for an outside door?
the windows im just not sure on what type of glass to use and that whole debate on angling the glass or not.
the roof will be, from top to bottom-
shingles, felt, mdf, tji, stuffed with insulation, 1x2's, and drywall.
not sure if im gonna float the floor or not.
o, heres a bunch of pictures of all the progress if ur interested and ill be adding to it. not too interesting yet: http://audioconfusion.com/id27.htm
thanks- jal
i finally started.....
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 4753.
Hi,
First: congratulations! I was in your situation about a year ago and am still going.... :roll:
Second:your plans... There's no point in framing the eastern wall if you're not framing any other of the outer walls because it won't give you any isolation framing just one wall. The point in framing outside walls is isolating the whole studio from outside world and vice versa.
Third: All of your rooms are rectangular- a mistake!! You should avoid building parallel walls. Check out some of the other studios on this site and read a bit more. You'll understand a lot more!
Good luck,
-Tomi-
Congratulations on your progress!
I noticed your walls are quite a bit higher than the block walls that separate the houses, which appear to be pretty close together. What kind of setback requirements or other restrictions did you have to meet in order to qualify for the building permit?
You're asking about floor floating and HVAC, yet the slab is done and the walls are well on their way... :roll: That may severely limit your options, as these plans are best finalized before construction begins so that you can plan around them.
Since you don't have any exterior windows, you will need to have mechanical ventilation to supply your studio rooms with fresh air. This is not a luxury -- it is a building code requirement, not to mention necessary for health and safety.
If you can post more details of your plans, including illustrations showing the floorplan and construction details that the photos don't reveal. I've even gone so far as reviewing your past posts (including your "starting totally from scratch" thread), but I don't see any plans posted yet... :roll:
Overall, I must be candid in saying I think you may be putting cart before horse here... :? ...I know the desire to "start building" can be hard to hold back... But having all your plans in order before you break ground generally gives you the best results with the least amount of on-the-fly adjustments and compromises.
--Keith :mrgreen:
first off thanks for commenting guys.
malfunction, so ur saying that if i dont frame just 1 wall itll ruin my whole isolation factor. i was planning on closing the gaps at the end of the walls on the north wall.
about the parallel walls, im not gonna have parallel walls my framing is gonna be angled like i showed in figure 3. the square rooms in figure 1 is just my floor plan none of the walls are angele in that. thats where i kind of needed ur guys's help. figure 3 is how i am planning on angeling the walls only in the live room unless my angeles are wrong and crazy.
sharward, my setbacks were 5 feet on the north side and 9 feet from the east side. they also said i couldnt be taller than my house.
yeah i realise i shouldve had a plan of the exact finished product, but dude i had no idea what i was doing. i was worried about budget and everything. as far as the ac goes yeah i made a mistake there but i have to get around that, i made other mistakes to but i gotta keep going.
with the floating floor i know i can still do that. i just dont know exactly how to do it. ive seen pictures on here and read things on here but it looks like there're a couple of different ways to do it.
mechanical ventilation?? what is that exactly, do u have a link where i can c what ur talking about im sure ill know what it is if i saw it.
my plans are just what i posted on here. i have no further plans. that was kind of why i posted on here to c if u guys could maybe red ink my floor plan on the type of angles i should use in the rooms (ie: live room, c-room, and iso) my floor plan only represents where the rooms are gonna be in the building thats all.
yeah i know i put the cart before the horse.
see, im looking at it like if i moved into a prebuilt building, and my questions are more about angeling these rooms building doors, installing windows, and putting ac in and making sure im building my walls right. also if im wasting space as far as the floor plan itself, like if i could use the space more wisely. the only thing im sure of is i want a hallway, the bathroom has to be where it is and i need storage and id like a lounge but thats not even in stone.
i very much appreciate u guys looking at my post and look forward to any comments and suggestions u make. i have a real tite budget but im wheeling and dealing out here to make it work. so as long as u dont say i need solid gold doors i think ill be good.
one question, nobody talks about soundboard on here is it cause its useless or cause u just dont use it in these situations, or am i completely wrong and some people do use it?
thanks again- jal
Hey Jal,
First of all, sorry about "missing" the plans you posted. Duh, I saw them, and yet I forgot I saw them! :roll:
Anyway... Here's a great post about ventilation:
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4384
Here's another:
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4255
About the floor... Yes, you can still float a floor... But if you don't stop building, you may not have the option of floating your walls upon the floated floor... And that would be a shame.
Floating a floor is no easy task. Done correctly it can work wonders... But done incorrectly, it could be worse than if you hadn't floated. Don't miss my favorite floating floor thread:
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3843
Oh, and yes, soundboard is useless. It's less mass than ordinary drywall, and what you need is the most mass for the least bucks on each leaf, along with the widest air/insulation gap that you can afford to lose in terms of square footage.
Try to slow down a bit so that you know exactly where you're going. Since you're on a tight budget, it makes all the more sense so that you don't make any errors that will be costly to correct. 8)
--Keith :mrgreen:
What I mean is that you have to frame all the outside walls in order for the building to be isolated.
By framing just one wall you still have 3 other walls that aren't double leaf walls so the sound transfers through one/all of the three unframed walls.
Keith has a very good point: ask and read and plan everything as accurately as possible before you do anything you might regret afterwards.
There are tons of info here so I suggest you read some more and ask the questions before you go any further.
And sorry, I missed the "angled wall sketch" :oops:
-Tomi-
90 days' worth of planning and research isn't an unreasonable amount of time to spend before beginning construction. 6 months may even be more realistic in some cases. In my case, it was about 8 months, just for a single room.
malfunction, i was actually gonna frame 3 walls and leave only one bare for different sound, but i think ive changed my mind.
hey sharward, so ur saying every room has to have fresh air ventilation in it? i mean some rooms in my house dont have windows or ventilation. u explained how ac works how about this hrv thing? i mean i read what it does but like how would that be different wouldnt i still have to send fresh air vents in every room? if a hrv is so great why isnt it the norm for houses why use ac at all?
thanks again guys- jal
Not all rooms in a house are habitable rooms though. By definition, habitable space is space in a structure for living, sleeping, eating or cooking. Bathrooms, toilet compartments, closets, halls, storage or utility space, and similar areas are not considered habitable space. Here's a document published by the City of Boise about natural light and ventilation requirements, according to the model codes they use in that municipality. It does a good job of explaining in simple English what ventilation is all about. I would caution you, though, against using this document as gospel, because in all likelihood your municipality uses different model codes, so the requirements may be different -- possibly more strict. Your best bet would be to pay your local building department a visit for assistance with this. They're the ones to enforce code, so they're the ones who are in the best position to advise you on the particulars. Show them pictures of what you have so far, show them your plans, tell them that you need to build rooms without windows, and ask them what you'll have to do in order to meet code. (Frankly, I'm surprised you were granted your permit without having to present plans demonstrating all of these details! :shock: ). . . ur saying every room has to have fresh air ventilation in it? i mean some rooms in my house dont have windows or ventilation. . . .
Jal is referring to a private message conversation we had on this subject... The HRV (short for "heat recovery ventilator" is not a substitute for air conditioning. In my personal case, I plan to use both an HRV for ventilation purposes and an air conditioning system (specifically, a mini split) for comfort and dehumidification purposes (although a standalone dehumidifier may also be in order). In short, air conditoner for comfort, and HRV for window substitution. Hope that helps! --Keith :mrgreen:u explained how ac works how about this hrv thing? i mean i read what it does but like how would that be different wouldnt i still have to send fresh air vents in every room? if a hrv is so great why isnt it the norm for houses why use ac at all?
ooohh, i get it now. thats cool ill look into that. (about hrv)
well a good friend of mine is a contractor ill talk to him about the codes and stuff and c what he says.
-jal