Hello everyone i plan to attempt to build a new studio room from scratch. I designed the room but im not sure about the slanted walls and ceiling height and slant. I intend on floating the floors and using hardwood for the finish. Any advice would greatly be appreciated.
Studio Design
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 18598.
Hi. Please read the forum rules for posting (click here). You seem to be missing a couple of things! :)
Also, about floating floors:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8173
- Stuart -
- I have no neighbors, but i would like the studio room quit form the rest of the building
- Studio will be in USA
- Studio will be build in warehoue and one side of the studio will be against concrete wall
Everything listed below is what i planned on using, but if you think i need to change some materials or methonds please let me know
- Room Size 26x24. But if i you think i need to change it let me know. I have the space to change lenght or width
- Also i have no height restrictions. The ceiling is 22' high, so i was thinking of 9-12 foot ceilings
- Stagared Stud
- Weights/Densities of common materials ( Not sure but i would like to use fire rate sheekrock)
- Using Drywall Screws
- I think it is called multi-leaf, but i wanted to build a interior room inside the outer framing
- Insulation-Owens Corning 703
- Floating floor on concrete slabs
- My budget is $8k
- No pole or obstructions
- My initial plan was to build 26x24 framed walls with 2x4's, then build another room inside with 2x6 plate stagared 2x4 studs.
I hope i provided enough information. If there is anything else you need to know let me know.
Thanks
I think you need to read over the rules a little more carefully! (click here). Especially the part in big blue letters, about half way down the page, underlined in boldface font...I hope i provided enough information.
since you are repeating this after I already gave you a link about why floating floors are almost never needed in studios (despite the common myth about that), I guess you must be one of the few cases that really do need it. Which of the situations mentioned in that link is yours? There still might be alternatives....- Floating floor on concrete slabs
That's just for floating the floor, right? That's probably about what it normally costs to float a room correctly. What about your budget for the rest of the build? Your rough sketch shows about 650 square feet: you didn't say where you live, but a reasonable average estimate is around US$ 100 per square foot for a good studio build, well isolated, so your entire budget should be in the region of about US$ 65,000. Of course, if you plan to do all the work yourself then it can be considerably cheaper, and if you are in the construction industry you can probably get materials cheaper than most people, so you could probably knock that down by about half, with luck. But it really does help to know your full budget, so we can suggest ways of saving money if your budget is tight, or ways of improving things with more expensive materials and more complex construction, if your budget is really good.- My budget is $8k
By "from scratch", do you mean that this will start from an empty piece of ground, and you will then dig the foundations, pour the concrete for that, pour the floor slab, build the inner and outer walls, put the roof on the outer walls, then ceiling(s) on the inner walls, etc? If so, that's great! It gives you fantastic opportunities to design it and build it perfectly.i plan to attempt to build a new studio room from scratch.
:shock: Hang on a sec! I thought you said this was to be built "from scratch", but now you say it is going to be built inside a warehouse? So which is it?- Studio will be build in warehoue and one side of the studio will be against concrete wall
What is the purpose of the studio? Is it a hobby studio (just for you and your friends), or is it a commercial studio (where you will do paid work for clients)? How much isolation do you need between rooms, and also to the outside world? What is the purpose of each of those two rooms you show? What other rooms do you need besides those two (bathroom, office, lobby, storage, machine room, iso booth(s), vocal booth, drum booth, etc.)? What is the priority here: tracking? rehearsal? mixing? mastering? something else? Is this a 2.0 studio, or 2.1, or 5.1, or 7.1, or something else? What console/speakers/other gear will you be using in the control room? There are many factors such as these that could affect the size and layout of your studio.- Room Size 26x24. But if i you think i need to change it let me know. I have the space to change lenght or width
That's fine if you really are building from scratch, but not if you are building inside an existing structure as it would create a three-leaf system, which is pretty lousy for low frequency isolation. You should only ever have a two-leaf system (unless 3-leaf is unavoidable, in which case you have to compensate with more mass on the leaves, or larger air gaps, or both).- My initial plan was to build 26x24 framed walls with 2x4's, then build another room inside with 2x6 plate stagared 2x4 studs.
There's actually a lot more that would be useful. Please take a look at some of the big threads of people on the forum who are currently building their studios, or who have already finished, to get a better idea about how the forum works, and the kind of information we need in order to be able to help you. - Stuart -I hope i provided enough information. If there is anything else you need to know let me know.
Thanks for all the reply's.
I can get rid of the floating floor I see you advise against that.
The 10k budget was primarily for framing and finished walls.
I have a family member that owns a construction company so I will be using his crew and I’ve gotten a good labor rate.
As far as complete build out I would say I can spent 25k.
It will be in a warehouse with cinder block walls. So from what your saying it will be three leaf? Ie... Cinder block,Outer studio wall, and interior studio wall ?
The total warehouse size is 10k sq ft.
We will be doing mostly movie scoring and some audio recording and voice overs.
The Iso booth need to work for live band as well.
We have the Avid Command D console.
And The room with the desk is the control room and the empty room would be the iso room.
The rest of the building is already designed, but I wanted to come to the pro's for the studio design.
We want to block as many freq as possible (with in reason).
This will be commercial property so the look is as important as the sound. I have idea's on the look(s) but any other idea's would be welcomed.
Do you need anymore info?
Yes. The cinder block walls will be one of the mass surfaces that functions as a leaf. You'd have to take that into account if you're shooting for a 2 leaf system instead of a 3 leaf system. (which you really should be doing) It sounds a little to me like you've just begun the research process re: what will help you create an effective studio. (Apologies if I'm wrong about that) I'd recommend you get the following book: http://www.amazon.com/Home-Recording-St ... od+gervais Read through it and put together a bit more detailed plan. (we tend to use sketchup on this site because it's free and pretty quick to learn for those who have never used it. (I was one until this year)) We could be a lot more effective at helping, if there's more specifics on which to comment. Some quick comments from looking at the plan you put into your first post. 1. It looks a bit like you've got a very large control room but a very small recording area. Have you considered reversing that? Sitting room is nice, but that doesn't look like a comfortable room for a band to record in. Sight lines would be odd for the musicians.. they'd be all strung out in a row rather than a comfortable half circle, and someone would probably be out of sight of most of the band. 2. Control room doesn't look like it has good symmetry... The wall opens up to the left at the listening position... you definitely want symmetry till at minimum behind the listening position. It's also very close to square. 2. If that recording area is to scale, it looks like it's very long, but only about 6'8" feet wide? That's seems a bit odd. Is that L shape going to be an isolation room that's just not showing a wall at present? Looking at the back straight area, with 27' x 6'8" x 12 foot high (assumption), the room fails 2 of 3 criteria. http://www.bobgolds.com/Mode/RoomModes.htm 3. It's good you have no height restrictions. A high ceiling will definitely be helpful. I'd definitely recommend revising the overall placement of the control space and room though. Edit: btw... it does still look like you haven't actually read through the forum instructions "before you post". Just as an example, your profile doesn't list your location.Thanks for all the reply's. It will be in a warehouse with cinder block walls. So from what your saying it will be three leaf? Ie... Cinder block,Outer studio wall, and interior studio wall ? .