making sure i am building the msm 2 leaf walll right.
and wondering if i decide to insulate the roof with rock wool in the stud bays and 5/8s on the studs will it benefit me or take away from having a live room? i do not want to deaden my room i want my live room to sound live. same for the walls, they are concrete and i was thinking of making my double leaf go throughout my live room but as i said i dont want to take away from the character of the room. i already have concrete floors.
and the hallway, i am thinking of tearing it down because i dont see the use, i could knock down the bedroom wall (room to the right) and have a bigger bedroom, or i can knock down my control room wall and add another leaf to my single leaf wall to make it a double and increase my mixing room size, which currently will be approx 16 ft long and 9 ft wide, but i decided to make my mixing room larger then my room would be more square rather than rectangular....so i would probably move my desk from in front of that window i framed to the side, but would that help me or break me? i haven't figured out sketch up i apologize but the guy i am working with can only come soon and i really need to be pointed in the right direction so i dont build and have to tare down.
please and thank you!
am i doing this right? help please
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 18465.
You will need some absorption, or maybe even diffusion in there, to tame the acosutics. If not, you'll have an echo chamber! That might be a bit too "live" for what you want. Have you decided what you want the decay time to be? Based on that you can sort of figure out how much absorption/diffusion you need. Another option is to build variable acoustic treatment, that you can open or close as needed to change the room acoustics.and wondering if i decide to insulate the roof with rock wool in the stud bays and 5/8s on the studs will it benefit me or take away from having a live room? i do not want to deaden my room i want my live room to sound live. same for the walls, they are concrete and i was thinking of making my double leaf go throughout my live room but as i said i dont want to take away from the character of the room. i already have concrete floors.
It's hard to figure out what you mean, without an accurate diagram of what you have now, and what you are proposing. - Stuart -i am thinking of tearing it down because i dont see the use, i could knock down the bedroom wall (room to the right) and have a bigger bedroom, or i can knock down my control room wall and add another leaf to my single leaf wall to make it a double and increase my mixing room size, which currently will be approx 16 ft long and 9 ft wide, but i decided to make my mixing room larger then my room would be more square rather than rectangular....so i would probably move my desk from in front of that window i framed to the side, but would that help me or break me?
I have not decided the decay time. Its honestly too subjective for me to make a logical choice. What's the average? I play to build a 2 leaf msm throughout the walls of the live room. Basically the concrete block will be my first leaf then a probably 3 inch air gap and 2x4 studs with 4lb dense 4 inch thick rock wool as seen above in the stud bays. You just cut it a little big and wedge it in right? (The mineral wool) you dont glue it or anything? And I was just asking if its properly "decoupled" both leaves are screwed into the same beam ( as seen above) but do not physically touch eachother.....You will need some absorption, or maybe even diffusion in there, to tame the acosutics. If not, you'll have an echo chamber! That might be a bit too "live" for what you want. Have you decided what you want the decay time to be? Based on that you can sort of figure out how much absorption/diffusion you need. Another option is to build variable acoustic treatment, that you can open or close as needed to change the room acoustics.and wondering if i decide to insulate the roof with rock wool in the stud bays and 5/8s on the studs will it benefit me or take away from having a live room? i do not want to deaden my room i want my live room to sound live. same for the walls, they are concrete and i was thinking of making my double leaf go throughout my live room but as i said i dont want to take away from the character of the room. i already have concrete floors.It's hard to figure out what you mean, without an accurate diagram of what you have now, and what you are proposing. - Stuart -i am thinking of tearing it down because i dont see the use, i could knock down the bedroom wall (room to the right) and have a bigger bedroom, or i can knock down my control room wall and add another leaf to my single leaf wall to make it a double and increase my mixing room size, which currently will be approx 16 ft long and 9 ft wide, but i decided to make my mixing room larger then my room would be more square rather than rectangular....so i would probably move my desk from in front of that window i framed to the side, but would that help me or break me?
Depends on what you want! :) There are recommendations for different types of room. Take a look at EBU-32767 or ITU BS-775 for the recommended specs for studios.I have not decided the decay time. Its honestly too subjective for me to make a logical choice. What's the average?
I think you meant "3 inch gap" not "3 inch air gap"... :) With 2x4 studs, it is impossible to have only a 3" air gap, since the studs themselves are 3-1/2" deep... With a 3 inch gap plus 2x4 studs, you have a 6-1/2" air gap.the concrete block will be my first leaf then a probably 3 inch air gap and 2x4 studs
4 pcf is a bit too dense for that: ideally it should be 3 pcf (about 50 kg/m3).with 4lb dense 4 inch thick rock wool
Right. But with a 6-1/2", you would be better of with 6" insulation. That would give you better isolation.You just cut it a little big and wedge it in right? (The mineral wool) you dont glue it or anything?
If they are screwed into the same beam, then they are not decoupled at all!!! The inner-leaf is an entirely separate, independent, self-supporting structure that is not attached to the outer-leaf anywhere, at any point. Not even a single nail or screw. No mechanical connection at all. So if you screwed both leaves to the same joist or beam, then you need to fix that urgently, before you carry on. That's a major error. - Stuart -And I was just asking if its properly "decoupled" both leaves are screwed into the same beam
Depends on what you want! :) There are recommendations for different types of room. Take a look at EBU-32767 or ITU BS-775 for the recommended specs for studios.I have not decided the decay time. Its honestly too subjective for me to make a logical choice. What's the average?I think you meant "3 inch gap" not "3 inch air gap"... :) With 2x4 studs, it is impossible to have only a 3" air gap, since the studs themselves are 3-1/2" deep... With a 3 inch gap plus 2x4 studs, you have a 6-1/2" air gap.the concrete block will be my first leaf then a probably 3 inch air gap and 2x4 studs4 pcf is a bit too dense for that: ideally it should be 3 pcf (about 50 kg/m3). Can I just cut them in half? They're actully 8pcf thick......with 4lb dense 4 inch thick rock woolRight. But with a 6-1/2", you would be better of with 6" insulation. That would give you better isolation Well my gap in between the edge of the stud (not the bays of the stud) in my control room is about an inch. And to be determined what the live room gap would be. Is 8pcf dense mineral wool too thick for each stud bay in the 1 inch air gap wall? If so what would be ideal?.You just cut it a little and wedge it in right? (The mineral wool) you dont glue it or anything?If they are screwed into the same beam, then they are not decoupled at all!!! The inner-leaf is an entirely separate, independent, self-supporting structure that is not attached to the outer-leaf anywhere, at any point. Not even a single nail or screw. No mechanical connection at all. So if you screwed both leaves to the same joist or beam, then you need to fix that urgently, before you carry on. That's a major error. Ive triee looking for examples of wrong ones and right ones and cant find it in a comphresivr manor. Are both the leaves not allowed to be screwed into joists? Can they just be anchored into the concrete and that be they're way of being secure? That means that one of the leafs must be shorter in height? How much shorter? If 1 leaf is screwed into a wooden ceiling joist and the other leaf is 1" away the top of the inner leaf would touch the joist of the outer leaf . (My walls are 8ft heigh and so are the joists so its a tight wedged fit) - Stuart -And I was just asking if its properly "decoupled" both leaves are screwed into the same beam
Reading through your posts as I read all the construction ones for ideas etc so am not an expert, but am a little confused as to what your exterior leaf is.
You mention concrete outer leaf and I can see what looks like a timber roof with timber trusses, it also looks like you have some studs up which will be your internal walls,
Is there any plans or a post in the design section that I'v missed?
If so apologies :D