I need help with treating my bedroom studio

Started by KevWillow on 12 February 2013. 4 replies.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 18158.

Hello guys, This forum looks like an absolute wealth of knowledge so i am looking forward to cracking on and reading as many topics and posts as i can. I am in the process of redoing my studio, i have NEVER had any treatment ever because i have never actually looked into it properly and people have always said that it is expensive so its always been a little off-putting but now i've got some money and i want to get my room treated. So my questions are: 1. My room is a little awkward in it's shape and so due to this it has always been a curverball to me when trying to figure out treatment for it. Could you possibly help me out on this 2. Any details on the best materials for my project i would be extremely grateful My Room: I have measured in cm's and i have given you all the information i can in regards to where my studio is located in my bedroom:
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Apologies for the crudely drawn floor plan I've taken my monitors down to make it easier for you to see the space i use for the studio My studio is located on left hand side of my room in a sort of corner whilst the other side of my room is taken up by my bed, tv, wardrobe etc... Pic 1
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So as i'm sitting here i will explain everything i can. The studio isn't centred in the room due to the small "bump" you can see on the right in pic 1. On the left of my desk the wall opens outwards slightly which gives me a little more room but them due to this (and that "bump") my studio space isn't symmetrical. From my monitoring position i only have one wall which is on my left hand side (the other is on the other side of the room). Also, the screens are mounted on the walls now but if need be i would take them off if i needed to place stuff on the back wall! I just want to know what would be the best way to tackle my room in getting it treated. I have been researching videos on DIY soundproof absorbers and corner absorbers. I am looking at spending a fair amount but not a crazy amount, so lets say about £350 but if need be i will spend more. I hope somebody can help me, I'm sure if my room was a regular rectangle i would've been able to figure something out myself but its the silly extra walls i have make it awkward, and i don't want to build something myself only to be told that i don't need it and it was in the wrong place anyway Any help would be greatly appreciated, and if i have left anything out just let me know and ill answer any other questions Thank you for your time Kev
Hi Kev, and Welcome! :)
my studio space isn't symmetrical.
And that is the fundamental source of all your problem! The most basic issue have is symmetry. Or rather lack of symmetry. Without having a symmetric acoustic space around your head, it will be impossible, as in, well, umm... IMPOSSIBLE to set up a critical listening area. Right now you have a highly reflective wall just inches from your left ear, and many meters of empty open space next to your right ear. There simply is no treatment that can fix such a badly asymmetrical mix position. No electronic plug-in, no magical incantations.. nothing. So the first order of business is for you to find a different spot in the room where you can set up your desk symmetrically with the walls You need to find a place where you can set up your chair so that it is the same distance from the left wall as it is from the right wall. The most logical place appears to be facing the wall at the right hand end of your diagram. That would be the best possible location in the room. Of course, it means re-arranging furniture and things, but if you are serious about getting usable sound out of your system, and being able to do mixes that actually translate, then it is time to bit the bullet and shove you bed over to the other side of the room. So first you have to decide: does your studio take priority in your life, or does your bed take priority? :) When you have that location picked out, you then need to ditch the speaker stands shown on your desk, and either buy or build some proper speaker stands that sit in the floor BEHIND your desk, not touching it. It is a really bad idea to have your speakers sitting on the desk. The stands must be massive (very heavy). Some people on a tight budget just stack up a couple of cheap concrete blocks, wrap pretty cloth around them, and have great stands for a few dollars. Others build stands from large diameter hollow PVC pipe, filled with dry sand. Others buy or make hollow metal stands, and also fill them with dry sand. But whatever you do, the stands need to rest on the floor only, not touch the walls or desk, and be very massive. The also need to be just high enough so that the acoustic axis of your speakers ends up 1.2m above the floor. NOTE! "Acoustic axis". That's not the top or bottom of the speaker box, and not the middle of the woofer or the tweeter: it is the point that sound appears to emanate from on the front panel, and is different for every speaker. The manufacturer of your speakers can probably tell you where that point is, or if not then we can show you how to estimate it. So your speakers are now on stands between the desk and the front wall, 1.2m off the ground. Now you have to figure out how far apart to place them: that depends on the distance between the wall on your left and the wall on your right: Each speaker should be roughly 28% of that distance away from the side wall: So let's say your walls are 5m apart (just an example): in that case, the left speaker would be set up 1.4 m from the left wall, and the right speaker would be set up 1.4 m from the right wall, leaving a distance of about 2.2m between them (once again, I'm talking about distances to the acoustic axis). Finally, your head needs to be about the same distance from the front wall as the speakers are from each other, so in this fictitious example, you would set up your chair so that your ears end up roughly 2.2m from the front wall. Now angle the speakers inwards at about 30°, and they should be pointing right at your ears, or a bit further outside your ears. The imaginary acoustic axes should then be intersecting at an angle of 60°, roughly 15 to 30cm behind your head. If this doesn't work out, then you can adjust the positions and angles slightly, as needed. With that done, you now have optimal listening geometry, and it is time to add treatment. First, put two thick panels of absorption, such as 10cm OC-703, directly between the speakers and the front wall, then one more panel of OC-703 on each side wall at the first reflection point, and another panel on the ceiling overhead, also at the first reflection point. Finally, cover the entire rear wall behind you with more panels of 703, spaced about 10 to 20cm away from the wall (or more, if you have the space). Now for bass trapping: Build large floor-to-ceiling "superchunk" bass traps in the front and rear corners of the room, floor to ceiling. That should get you a pretty decent sounding space. If you wanted to improve the acoustics even more, you could then run the REW acoustic analysis program on your room, and post the results here for analysis. But doing the second round of treatment would probably take you way beyond your budget, and most likely will not be necessary.
I just want to know what would be the best way to tackle my room in getting it treated. I have been researching videos on DIY soundproof absorbers and corner absorbers.
Careful where you search! There is real, solid, sound scientific information on acoustics, how sound works, and how treatment works. And there there is YouTube. The two are exact opposites. There are an awful lot of "experts" posting videos on YouTube, but wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between a Haas Kicker and getting their Asses Kicked, if their lives depended on it! In other words, there's a huge amount of myth, misinformation, snake-oil, hype and just plain garbage out there. So beware where you look! On the other hand, if you want the truth, based on physics and the science of acoustics, then you are in the right place here. Nobody here want's to sell you a product, or demonstrate their skills at filming videos and posting them on YouTube: Folks here have learned how to do it right, and want to share that with others. That's all. I can pretty much guarantee that if you follow the above steps correctly, the sound you get from your system will blow you away: you would have never imagined that you could get such clarity, depth, tightness, sound-stage, and stereo imaging. It will be streets ahead of the way it sounds now. Still not world-class, of course, but way, way better. IMHO - Stuart -
Hey Stuart, Thanks alot for the very detailed answer, that was alot more than what i expected to get back. I understand exactly where you are coming from in regards to moving the room and i don't mind mind moving my studio to a better part of my room, the only problem is (scanning my room as i look around it) i am going to run into problems no matter what i put it, ill do a breakdown of the places i (think) i can put it and the problems that would occur. (again apologies for the crudely drawn plan)
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So as you can see where it is located right now its not symmetrical which is what the whole problem is so look around my room the only possible places i could see where i could put them i have drawn on the image but even though each of these i think i am going to run into a problem! A. If i was to turn my studio around so that instead of it being against this wall it was against the other wall (facing outwards towards B & C). This could be done. The only problem is the room door. If it was set up here, the desk is 160cm and space between where my door opens and the desk starts (in its position now) is about 130cm aswell as this it wouldn't be a wall to my left it would be a door and if i'm setting up my monitors behind the desk i don't fancy people opening my door and knocking them over as i'd be forced to harm them! B. This also seems like a good option of setting up here but the only downfall is (i think) that silly wall on the left, which again would make it unsymmetrical and also the whole right hand side of my room (so the right hand side of both B & C) is just a window C. This seemed like the best option in my head but the problem with this are that again the whole right hand side of the room (so in C's terms it would be the left hand side of the studio) is just a massive wall of window, aswell as this on that wall is a silly radiator so i don't think it would be sensible to set up my studio on a radiator. So if i did it either side of the radiator, then the space between each monitor would be completely different which wouldn't be too good. Could you enlighten me on this a little more please, i really don't mind having to redo my room and relay it out If you want me to provide anymore pictures of the room then i will do Cheers for your help Stuart! Kev
Additional: Stuart, I've just had a "sort" of Eureka moment, My room is located next to the bathroom, now in the bathroom there is a small rectangular cupboard (kind of like a towel cupboard) that we have and i was gonna turn it into a small vocal booth now too long ago about never got around to it (i'm glad i didn't now as this could be the answer to my problems) This is the layout, i haven't really drawn it well as the room is more of a rectangle and i've gone for drawing a square approach
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These are the pictures of the room too,
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This is the view of where the room is in conjunction to my room (my studio is on the right hand side of this picture) so if i was to knock this wall through i would have a small rectangular room added onto my room.
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This is the view of this room from bathroom, obviously if this is the right approach i will block off where this door This room is 181cm Wide and my studio desk is 160cm wide (and 87cm long) so i could have it either all the way into this room or even half in half out and then the problem i mentioned above with my door, ill change the hinges so that it has to open outward rather than inward
If that were my room, this is the way I would do it:
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