Key posts: Nashville Studio Build (need design help first!!!)

Substantial posts by Shybird, who started the thread, and by the forum’s most active contributors. 121 of 151 posts are listed.

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Shybird, 22 March 2012Hey everybody!! I've been reading the forum for several months now...what an amazing source of information! Thank you John and everyone else who contributes their…
Shybird, 10 April 2012Ok so I'm a little bummed that I've had no replies yet :cry: ...however I understand that it takes time...I'm just anxious. Anyways, I've been continuing my research and…
Soundman2020, 10 April 2012Hi Tevor, and Welcome! :) I had your post tagged to reply to, but it's been kinda hectic, and somehow I didn't notice that I hadn't... :( Well, better late than never, I…
Shybird, 12 April 2012Hi Stuart, thank you so much for the reply! That was extremely helpful. Here are my responses: - I'm gonna buy a sound level meter ASAP and run some tests inside and…
Soundman2020, 13 April 20121 and 3 are fine, but 2 is "questionable". Think of it this way: Mass is mass, and sound waves don't care how much you paid for it: they can't read the price tag, and…
Shybird, 8 May 2012Ok everybody I'm back! I am now officially a college graduate and no longer have those pressures on me. :yahoo: I gotta say it feels amazing to have my free time now…
Soundman2020, 9 May 2012Congratulations on the graduation! :) :thu: On the layout, the first thing I noticed is: sight lines! You don't have any. There's no visibility at all form the CR to the…
Shybird, 9 May 2012Hey Stuart thanks for such a quick reply! Looks like you're my only hope at this point lol. Anyways, I do have some sight between the rooms right? With the window being…
Soundman2020, 9 May 2012OK, I hadn't seen the window there. That does give you some view, but you said... Yup! I mean, it will work like that, but the poor fellow might end up with a sore neck…
Shybird, 14 May 2012Alright so here are the numbers from the SPL test...this was done with drums, bass, and electric guitar going full blast (the meter has a max and average function so I…
Soundman2020, 14 May 2012I think you are being a bit unrealistic with your sound level estimations! :shock: I think you'll find that most noise regulations specify measurement at your property…
Shybird, 15 May 2012Hey Stuart, I'm sorry for the confusion on my analysis of the SPL test. I was meaning the same thing that you ended up saying, I just didn't tally the total. But I meant…
Soundman2020, 15 May 2012Not exactly! Yours show a 45! rotation. I was thinking more more like this... 90° rotation... Image not preserved: layout-4 angled CR-90°-hack-S02.jpg :) OK, so that's…
Shybird, 15 May 2012Thanks for taking the time to do all this Stuart, your help is GREATLY appreciated... I had tinkered around with a layout similar to the one you provided but I felt that…
Soundman2020, 15 May 2012Another thought: If you want more space over on the left, then flip the CR and iso booth "end over end" (mirror image) so the CR is on the right facing left, and the…
Shybird, 15 May 2012Ok here is one more version (mirrored from the last one)...I like it better than "layout 7" because the live room has a better feel to it...however it still seems…
Soundman2020, 16 May 2012:) Nice! Me too! Much better. My input: you don't need to predict anything about it! :) It's a live room, it has plenty of non-parallel angled surfaces, and it is a…
Shybird, 16 May 2012Great! That's good to know about the live room. I wasn't sure how much it mattered to know the acoustics of a room like that going into construction. I realize now why…
Shybird, 16 May 2012Here is Layout 8 with the added concrete on the left (like what I had to do for layout 4)...this makes the live room now only 20sq ft short of my goal and allows for a…
Shybird, 17 May 2012As if you even want to see another design...I made another one lol. This is basically layout 4 but with some modifications to the bathroom that allow for a larger ISO…
Shybird, 13 June 2012Hey everybody, I'm back again... it has been a crazy month to say the least. I adopted a stray pup, my house had a random electrical fire, I've gone camping and to…
Shybird, 15 June 2012Here is the layout I have become pretty much set on at this point...I've begun the 3D model based on this design. I love every aspect except for the minimal visibility…
RJHollins, 15 June 2012Hi, Following your design thread ... wish I could offer anything significant :| Two things I'd question on. The bathroom between the booth and the live room. You show…
Soundman2020, 15 June 2012Yep, that is a problem! Not only that, but the bathroom is actually in the "air" between the leaves of ALL the walls, so the bathroom noises will be heard in every…

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Shybird, 16 June 2012Thanks for the replies guys!! Been thinking over the design some more...tried a corner control room in the top left but I think it makes the live room too awkward. In…
Soundman2020, 17 June 2012I think you aren't understanding the real problem here: It isn't about using the bathroom or not, but rather about the isolation plan itself. It's not that you have a…
Shybird, 17 June 2012Hey Stuart, I think I didn't explain it very well. In order to have a double wall around the bathroom, this would mean I'd be adding a second wall around the single wall…
Shybird, 17 June 2012Wow Gullfo! Thanks for the great input! That's such a detailed drawing, is that sketchup? Anyways, your drawing helps me see this a little more realistically...I keep…
gullfo, 18 June 2012i did not include the bathroom walls but you would put in a 2x 5/8" layer on the inside of that. it's big enough not to be a 3rd leaf issue. STC 70 is not the same thing…
Shybird, 24 June 2012Ok so here's a quick update: I met with my builder recently and we discussed a few important things... He told me that pouring concrete to square off the bottom left…
Shybird, 27 June 2012Here is my newest design for the studio after literally trying every possible "corner control room" layout. Pros: -The bathroom and main entrance are not taking up any…
Shybird, 28 June 2012Hey Stuart thanks for the reply.. Here are some questions/thoughts I have: -After seeing Gullfo's design and asking him about the 3-leaf issue in the bathroom I was…
Soundman2020, 29 June 2012That's correct: Glenn and I are saying the same thing, but that's not what your floor plan is showing! There's no drywall shown on there,or if there is then it isn't…
Shybird, 30 June 2012Awesome! Thanks Gullfo! Such a sleek sketchup design...I'm working with it right now... hopefully I will have a new and improved sketch of my floor plan up by tomorrow.…
Soundman2020, 1 July 2012Personally, I don't see why there would be a problem with mounting the speakers at any angle between 60° and 90°. I don't see it as "60°, or 90°, and nothing else", but…
Shybird, 2 July 2012So I'm finally out of the world of "Sweet Home 3D" and into Sketchup! Here is my first stab at the newest layout. I went with Glenn's proposed control room except for…
Shybird, 2 July 2012Here is a closer shot of the bathroom that shows the 1/2" RC...is this following what you all had in mind for the bathroom isolation plan? Also I figure I could either…
Shybird, 2 July 2012And here's the ISO... A little cramped for drums...but still workable...what do you guys think? Also, regarding the sliding doors, I know they are supposed to be…
RJHollins, 3 July 2012Hi Trevor. I've been following your thread as it develops ... Something you've probably considered ... and yes, design, layout, traffic flow, is an Art & Science !!! I…

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Shybird, 5 July 2012Hey guys, hope everyone had a great 4th!! Or for those not in the states, a great random Wednesday lol...whichever way you may have celebrated. Anyways, I'd love to hear…
Shybird, 12 July 2012Alright, so I've been doing a ton of ray-tracing and it looks like it will be impossible to achieve a true RFZ given the small dimensions of the control room...the back…
Shybird, 12 July 2012Here is an example of the control room without the sliding doors... I was continuing my ray-tracing extravaganza and began to realize I have no idea how to tackle this…
Soundman2020, 13 July 2012To me, it looks like you have your mix position and intersect point too far back in the room. I think I would try to bring the mix position further forwards, and toe-in…
Shybird, 14 July 2012Hey Stuart thanks for the detailed reply!!! Sorry I did not get back to you yesterday...I was not feeling well and couldn't keep food down all day...feeling a bit better…
Soundman2020, 14 July 2012Well, you certainly can add panels inside the room to move reflections to different locations. Once example of that is a hard-backed cloud. Another is a gobo. But…
Shybird, 14 July 2012Ahh that clarifies so much!! Thanks Stuart...let me do some homework and hopefully my next post will be something much more substantial. I'd like to avoid making an RFZ…
Soundman2020, 14 July 2012Actually, the shape of a corner control room is inherently RFZ... :) RFZ is much more about the angles in the front half of the room, particularly the side walls, and…
Shybird, 15 July 2012A couple quick questions regarding my next design... I was reading a post that "knightfly" made on this thread about air gaps in iso walls... My design currently shows a…
Soundman2020, 16 July 2012Yeah, 15" is overkill, assuming that you have plenty of mass on each leaf. The relationship is not linear: isolation drops off very fast for gaps smaller than about 4",…
Shybird, 17 July 2012That clears up a lot!! Good to know it's starting to "sound" good lol.. Thanks Stuart! So here is my new attempt for the layout...guess I'm calling this one 11.1 :roll:…
Shybird, 19 July 2012Hey Stuart I think this might answer one of my questions from above... I saw where you said this to one of the members on the forum (shayneallen) who is also building a…
Shybird, 19 July 2012Haha thanks Stuart!! I'll re-post my drawing with the parallel walls... But before I do...did you see any other "red flags" in layout 11.1 (as far as the floorplan is…
Soundman2020, 19 July 2012I found the post from John that I mentioned yesterday: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14215&p=99679&hilit=necessary+to+angle+sliding+glass+doors#p99679 So there's your permission…
Shybird, 19 July 2012Great to know I've got John's approval! (BTW I think your link is broken) In regards to running cables in the concrete...I had thought about this awhile ago but since we…
Shybird, 19 July 2012After talking to my Dad earlier, he made me realize it would probably be worthwhile to go ahead and incorporate conduits in the new concrete to the live room, booth, and…
Soundman2020, 20 July 2012Damn! Don't know how I managed to do that. But I fixed it now. Thanks! You can, yes, but if you have the opportunity to put some of them in the slab, it makes it easier.…
Shybird, 22 July 2012Hey Stuart...for some reason I'm not quite sure what you mean by this... Thanks for the quick reply though. This week I am going to meet with my builder to show him the…
Soundman2020, 22 July 2012What I meant by that was that the normal way of installing switches, outlets and lights, in normal houses, offices etc. (not studios) is to cut a rectangular hole in the…
Shybird, 25 July 2012Ahh that makes much more sense now!! I had planned on just cutting holes in the drywall and using putty pads to seal, but now I realize I've seen exactly what you are…
Shybird, 27 July 2012A couple more updates... 1.) I met with a tree specialist a couple of days ago and he basically informed me that the wisest plan of action would be to take the tree down…
Shybird, 30 July 2012So I'm pretty sure I might be nearing the record for "most proposed designs" for a single studio on the forum...that being said, I've got one more for ya!! :horse:…

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Shybird, 31 July 2012Any opinions on this design? I am having a hard time deciding between the two (12 and 13 that is)... :| Been reading more in the MHoA...the section on modes within…
Soundman2020, 2 August 2012Both of those like like they will work fine. You have good sight lines in both, nice size and shape of spaces, etc. I wouldn't worry too much about the modal issue:…
Shybird, 2 August 2012Thanks for the reply Stuart!! Your input always helps me keep moving forward! Here is the updated layout. I'm liking the CR better now that it is completely symmetrical…
Shybird, 6 August 2012Hey Stuart...my builder presented a slight concern for the 1" gap between the inner walls...is it ok to do this? Have people been successful with only 1" between…
Soundman2020, 6 August 2012Why is he concerned about that? Is there some specific issue about it that worries him? Maybe something to do with your local building code? Also, you are building your…
Shybird, 6 August 2012Hey Stuart thanks for such a quick reply... He has never built double walls so he was just worried about it being too close to even build (I guess 1" just doesn't sound…
Shybird, 6 August 2012Ahhhh....I have some very unfortunate news regarding layout 13.1...it's not even close to a proper RFZ because I overlooked the reflection points on the side walls at…
Shybird, 10 August 2012Ok... Once again I'm back with a new design! Haha Alright so here it is...basically just an adaptation of the last one. After spending a lot of time trying out alternate…
RJHollins, 10 August 2012Hi Shybird, Been following along on your design. As you well understand how important the designing stage is ! If I may ... this is something that brings up a concern…
Shybird, 10 August 2012Hi RJ...once again thank you for the comments. Sorry it's tough to see the walls in the image there...but I have drawn in a resilient channel that will help the bathroom…
Shybird, 10 August 2012Here's two more with slight modifications. I think I'm liking Layout 14.1 the most so far. It has great sight lines between all rooms and has just enough additional…
Soundman2020, 13 August 2012With both of those, the rear sections of the side walls seem to be non-parallel (which is fine), but they seem to be angled the wrong way, making the room narrower at…
Shybird, 13 August 2012Hey Stuart, I can fix this...however I'm a little unsure why the room cannot angle inward like that past the mix position...it doesn't effect the reflections for RFZ in…
Shybird, 13 August 2012Also, do you have any input for the questions posted along with layout 14? I really need to know if I'm designing/calculating the front half of the CR correctly. Does…
Shybird, 13 August 2012Here is a John Sayers design that appears to do what you are talking about in the rear of the CR. http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/Mainpage/MP-Carriage.htm What is the…
Soundman2020, 14 August 2012Yep! :) OK, I'm not saying that you absolutely cannot reverse the angles at the rear. What I'm saying is that it can be a problem if not done thoughtfully, and it also…
Shybird, 14 August 2012Hey Stuart thanks for the reply...that makes sense to me now. Can you answer my three questions regarding the front half of the CR?? I need clarification here to know…
Soundman2020, 14 August 2012Hard to say: depends on the Q (directionality) of the speaker, off-axis response, the angle, the frequency, etc. Probably a foot or so is about as close as you'd want to…
Shybird, 14 August 2012Stuart thanks so much!! That helps a lot...and yes, after that explanation, I was about to go find a wall to bash my head against.. :horse: :lol: Thanks for calming me…
Soundman2020, 14 August 2012It's fine. EBU recommends a distance of between 2 and 4m, (6'7" to 13'3", roughly), but you are close enough, I reckon. If you try to get another foot away, you'll be…
Shybird, 14 August 2012Ahhh!! Thank you so much Stuart!! I think I'm finally seeing a light at the end of the 2D tunnel...I hope soon I will be starting my journey in the pitch black of... 3D…

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Shybird, 14 August 2012Ah Juho that would be awesome!! I've been thinking about how much time it would save the moderators on the forum if everything were neatly compiled like your saying (I…
Shybird, 14 August 2012One other thing I forgot to mention... I've been measuring the distance of first reflections behind the engineers head using a listening position that is 18" in front of…
Soundman2020, 14 August 2012That's fine and correct, yes. Just think of it this way: the entire control room is built around and for your EARS. They are the most important focus of the entire…
RJHollins, 15 August 2012Yep. Glenn likes to have the intersect a bit further back in the room. Or rather, the listening position a bit further forward on the room. With me, it seems to end up…
Soundman2020, 15 August 2012Ummmm... "spare time"???? What's that? I think I read about that intriguing concept somewhere, and it sounds like something I should have! Where can I get some? Do they…
Shybird, 15 August 2012Hey Stuart thanks for answering my question regarding the mix position...that's some very valuable information that I don't see stated on the forum very often. Seems so…
Shybird, 15 August 2012Alright...drumroll please... :snack: Layout 14.3! Ok so it's not that much different but the control room is fixed! The first reflection off the side wall comes in at…
Shybird, 16 August 2012My only concern at this point is whether or not the CR has space/places for slats. What do you all think? I'd like to make sure it has the potential for slot resonators…
Soundman2020, 16 August 2012Naah, terrible: I think version 1.0 was the best.... You should go back to that... :) :shock: :!: :roll: :shot: Seriously, it's looking very good. Should be OK. That's…
Shybird, 17 August 2012Thanks for the feedback Stuart! MUCH appreciated as always... I fiddled around a little more with the design today and decided to go ahead and splay those rear walls of…
Shybird, 21 August 2012Sweet! So I can bombard you with electrical questions when I get to that phase?? :) haha That's perfect! I'm ready to help anytime. I think it would be very resourceful.…
Shybird, 22 August 2012Hey guys I'm back with an update... After trying different combinations of soffit angles and front wall angles in the control room, I think I've found the best happy…
Soundman2020, 22 August 2012Nice! Really nice! I like it. I said that? :shock: :) Yeah, I think I did. But here's a curve ball for ya: If that gets very tight in there, then you could build just…
Shybird, 23 August 2012Thanks for the encouragement Stuart!! Much appreciated as always... That would help definitely! I guess there are two major reasons I would take the extra time to build…
Soundman2020, 23 August 2012I haven't read that thread yet, but I find it hard to agree that reflections BEHIND the baffle can have much effect on the room, if the soffit is built correctly.…
Soundman2020, 23 August 2012OK; I just read the thread over there, and the only guys making any sense are Barefoot (not surprisingly!) and Bob Olhsson (also not surprisingly!). The others don't…
Shybird, 23 August 2012Ah thank you Stuart...that eases my mind. I figured it was a matter of personal opinions not being justified by proper understanding of acoustics! However, I had no idea…
Soundman2020, 23 August 2012Just so you feel even more comfortable: You might not know who Barefoot is: he's actually a member of this forum, and used to post a lot more often here than he does…
Shybird, 28 August 2012Hey guys...just wanted to post some updates on my progress...it's slow but sure. The gate for the studio was completed yesterday to allow access for trucks during the…
Shybird, 28 August 2012One other thing I forgot to mention which I'm not quite sure how it slipped my mind since it has taken up quite a bit of my research lately... but I finally talked to a…
RJHollins, 28 August 2012hmmm ... I'll have to check that passage in my 2nd edition ... I'd not noticed that. However, I do recall my 'learning time' on the door design ... believe me, it took…

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Shybird, 29 August 2012Hey guys thanks for such quick replies!! RJ... That's great news! I'm sure that was quite a surprise after going to such lengthy efforts with the door...however it never…
BriHar, 30 August 2012I know the issue you're referring to as it has also left an indelible impression on me. I also have yet to install a second door in my studio, but soundchecks have…
gullfo, 30 August 2012that's the basic rationale for it - it widens the sweet spot but it's also a matter of the room size as well - if i have a wide room then i can reduce the depth a bit…
gullfo, 30 August 2012just to add my 2¢ - if possible i like to keep them decoupled including using sway bracing to increase the stability around the two side of the door, but as Rod pointed…
Shybird, 2 September 2012Hey Glenn thanks for the responses! It's always great to have your input on things as it is always very informative. No worries there! I understand completely. My Dad…
Soundman2020, 21 September 2012Better late then never with the reply, I guess! :) Basically a couple of metal brackets joined by a rubber decoupler in the middle. You attach one side to the top of…
Shybird, 22 September 2012Ahhh thank you for the reply Stuart!! Seriously I don't know how you keep up with so many threads...it's quite an incredible feat if you ask me. I began the 3D today and…
RJHollins, 22 September 2012If you get an opportunity to audition the Pelonis monitors, please post back. I too, recently, found out about them ... though not found anyone in town that has them :|…
Soundman2020, 22 September 2012Yes, but read the DECIBEL scale too! Look at the "800Hz to 20 k" plot. At 90° off axis, all of the mids and highs are AT LEAST 12 dB down: 8 kHz is -18, 10kHz. is -24,…
Shybird, 22 September 2012Thank you guys for the replies!! RJ... I definitely will let you all know what I end up trying out. These are really intriguing because of the price point and the…
Soundman2020, 22 September 2012Well... ummm... :oops: thanks! (I think?!) :) Of course, that was just a rough and probably over-simplified analogy, to try to get you to move on and not fixate and…
Soundman2020, 22 September 2012Ahh! Found something interesting on-line, from the university of Santa Cruz: "Sound waves only behave as rays when the wavelength is small compared to the surrounding…
Shybird, 2 October 2012Stuart, I'm so sorry for the late reply...all I can say is WOW!... thank you so much for your time and effort on those answers! I must say that even "MIND BOGGLING" does…
Soundman2020, 2 October 201280° off-axis? Ummm .... YES! :) I sure hope I never get to go rabbit hunting with you one day! I can just imagine you dragging along your bazooka to do the job.... :)…
Shybird, 2 October 2012Haha thanks Stuart...I knew the jokes were coming soon...I just forgot how quick you reply!! :D And in regards to the gorilla, I had thought of those reflections to…
Soundman2020, 2 October 2012You already have your console, I assume? If not, then now would be a good time to decide on what console you want for your room. So figure out the the angle of the top…
Shybird, 2 October 2012Ohhf...I wish I had a console to throw in there...unfortunately I don't think I will be able to determine that yet. For now I will be completely ITB and just use my Onyx…

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Shybird, 5 July 2020Wow it's been a VERY long time since I posted on this thread. I just wanted to pop by and let everyone know that this studio never got built due to various financial…