Acoustic treatment for my new studio

Started by Reginiano on 13 November 2011. 4 replies.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 17208.

Hello everyone! I just finished building my new studio room:
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the ceiling goes from 2.28m to 2.84m (7.48 feet to 9.32 feet). The room sketch:
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Now I'm planning the acoustic treatment for the room. My goal: Using the space as a control room and as a recording room. Creating a "dry side" and a "wet side". Using the "dry side" for the control room and for dry recordings (using a portable acoustic screen). The "wet side" should feel bigger than it is, and it should have a nice and warm reverb. The main focus is on recording acoustic instruments such as: Guitar/Piano/String Quartet... My Problems: Right now, the room echo is really strong (from all of the clear walls and windows). So I can't make a proper recording and I really can't mix. My plan: Treating the studio by steps: - Eliminating the early reflections of the control room, by using acoustic boards on the right wall, left wall, right ceiling, left ceiling and using a carpet. - Setting a proper balance for the control room. - Testing the new feeling of the recording room. Adding anything that is necessary for the feeling of the recording (diffusers/absorvers/bass traps). My questions: Should i add anything else for the control room? What should i do with the ceiling? What materials should i use? How would you design the acoustics for this room? I'd be thankful for your suggestions! Eyal Reginiano. http://www.reginiano.com
Hi Eyal, and Welcome!!! :) OK, firstly you are going to need lots of bass trapping in that room. Probably start with "superchunck" style traps at least in the front vertical corners, and perhaps also the front horizontal corner (wall/floor). You also need absorption on all your first reflection points, including a cloud roughly above your desk. You will probably also need something on the side walls to deal with flutter echo, if that is an issue.
- Eliminating the early reflections of the control room, by using acoustic boards on the right wall, left wall, right ceiling, left ceiling and using a carpet.
I'm not sure what you mean by "acoustic boards", but if you are talking about something like OC-703, then yes, that's the idea. But forget the carpet: carpet is selective and unpredictable. It absorbs frequencies that most likely don't need absorbing (highs) and does not absorb frequencies that do need it (lows). Carpet does the opposite of what you need! And it does it in unknown ways, since most manufacturers never test their carpet to see what the acoustic behavior is, and never publish data. So forget carpet. If you treat your room completely and then still have a problem with the room being too "live", THEN you could think about a large, thick throw-rug, or something like that. But that would be a last resort.
- Setting a proper balance for the control room.
What do you mean by "proper balance"? Are you talking about trying to use a graphic equalizer to tune the room? Forget that too: it is impossible to do, despite the marketing hype of some manufacturers. The problem is that an equalizer can only fix problems in the frequency domain, but most rooms don't HAVE many problems in the frequency domain! Most rooms have problems in the TIME domain, which equalization cannot do anything to fix. Yes, you can maybe use EQ to tame the response a bit for one specific location in the room, but in reality you are not fixing the room at all: you are disguising the problems, not making them go away. Equalizing a room like that is fine for just listening, such as a home theater, but NOT for a studio. You cannot fix time-related acoustic problems with EQ.
- Testing the new feeling of the recording room. Adding anything that is necessary for the feeling of the recording (diffusers/absorvers/bass traps).
I would take the other approach: First add the things that you will definitely need, which is bass traps and absorption on first reflection points, THEN test the room and see what else it needs. There's no doubt that it will need bass traps (lots of them, and large ones), and there's no doubt that it will need absorption on first reflection points. So do that, then see what else it needs.
Using the "dry side" for the control room and for dry recordings (using a portable acoustic screen).
Control rooms should not be "dry": they should be neutral, following the ITU and/or EBU recommendations for things like RT-60 times, response, geometry, volume, etc. For your "portable acoustic screens", I'd suggest that you can build several gobo's on wheels, so you can move them around as needed. In any evennt I'd start by measuring the current response of your room with REW (just so you have a baseline for later comparing), then put in the first set of treatment that you will need, and measure again. You can then see what areas improved, what areas did not, and decide on what additional treatment you need. - Stuart -
Dear Stuart, thank you for a great reply!
There's no doubt that it will need bass traps (lots of them, and large ones)
OK, But should I buy them all the same? or should I get them in different sizes and materials?
But forget the carpet
Done.
First add the things that you will definitely need, which is bass traps and absorption on first reflection points
Are you talking about first reflections only for the control area or also for the recording area? Should i plan a designated area for a violin recording (for example)? What should I do with the ceiling? Should I add absorbers on some/all of the ceiling? Should I vary with diffusers? Another question: What curtains should i use? Venetian curtains, which might act as a light diffuser: http://www.google.co.il/search?rlz=1C1CHNU_enIL335IL335&gcx=c&q=venetian%20curtains&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=iw&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&biw=1680&bih=959&sei=0v7ATv-AHef-4QSbpv2IBA Cotton curtains, which might act as a light absorber: http://www.google.co.il/search?um=1&hl=iw&rlz=1C1CHNU_enIL335IL335&authuser=0&biw=1680&bih=959&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cotton+curtains&oq=cotton+curtains&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=28981l30075l0l30201l7l5l0l0l0l0l320l320l3-1l1l0 Eyal.
haha. I know what your asking for, but there isn't really a simple straight forward answer, which is why you haven't found one yet. It's kind of like asking "how do I get to walmart from my house?" and not accepting the answer "it depends on where walmart is and where you live." With the dumb analogy out of the way, I can tell you where you can at least start. It sounds like you want to treat the room for tracking acoustic guitar. What I would do is walk around the room clapping and listening to the response of the room. If you hear a lot of "boing oing oing oing oing" then you need treatment. What I would do is try to break up any parallel walls with stuff. Anything is better than nothing. I was suprised at how different my room sounded just by having picture frames hanging on the walls. so put stuff up on your walls, blankets, bookshelves, anything. If after that it still sounds too roomy, you can hang blankets. Once you think it sounds ok, do the clapping test again. Walk around clapping until you find a spot in the room that sounds best. and record there. [ SPAM SIGNATURE REMOVED BY MODERATOR ]
Evelyn, if you want to participate and learn on this forum then you are more than welcome, but please try to keep your posts on the actual topic of each thread, and please also try to not repeat myths and legends about room acoustics and studio design. On this forum we go by scientific research, laboratory tests, and empirical discoveries by some of the leading studio designers in the world. We don't put much faith in unsubstantiated myths, legends and "I read it on the internet so it must be true". Walking around the room clapping your hands won't tell you anything acoustically useful about the room, from a scientific point of view. Actually measuring the room response with suitable test gear will tell you all about it, and will also tell you what specific treatment needs to be done, and at what specific locations in the room. Paintings, blankets, bookshelves, and "stuff" are NOT scientifically useful ways of treating rooms. Angling walls has its place, provided that you understand what you are doing, why, and shat angles you need for what purpose. So if you came hear to learn from the experts, then great! But if you came expecting to find a typical "home studio" web site run by those typical uninformed, uneducated people who know how to make a web site sites but don't have a clue about acoustics (or even worse, who want to sell you some type of dubious product), where you can repeat your myths and incorrect comments, then you are in the wrong place. - Stuart -