I QUIT! HOORAY!!!

The space I have to work with, the windows and doors here, my budget of $250.00, the INFINITE number of conflicting "opinions" on what goes where, at what angle, the endless youtube videos of jackasses gluing wood together and shoving fiberglass together so their bedroom sounds like a coffin and the fact that I probably know less than they do... I fucken QUIT. Thank you all who have extended attempts at help. Good BYE!

"the endless youtube videos of jackasses gluing wood together and shoving fiberglass" The thinking is here....those are videos looking for ratings. My friend, this is work, it takes time and money and you have to be willing to if not slow down, then you must concede that you do not know what to do next. You already have realized that this is indeed a daunting task. Now you have to slow down and let these good people help you..

It's obvious that the people on this web site are beyond 'good', man. I am amazed by the forthcoming nature, its very hard to come by these days. I was actually advised that since I'm not isolating the entire room that my situation is more or less hopeless, which I can't understand at all. Anyway, I'm going to post an image I made to propose what I would like to build and see how off I am.

Hi phlange, I usually DON'T chime in on anyone else's thread ... but I do try to read & follow what is going on. I also look to see the advice supplied by the GURU team here. If I may offer a bit of encouragement, though. I'm currently in my Control room build ... and concur that it is indeed a challenge. Not just the planning and design ... I look back at my [now] feeble first attempt at a 'design', and I shutter. 30 some years working professional as an engineer/producer in some mighty fine studios around the country ... and I NOW can realize that my first design was merely a picture of what I thought it should look something like! I graduated from my second college with a degree in engineering ... and that included studies in acoustics. What I was taught [and many studios I worked in] are now considered 'old school'. Now [somewhat] retired, I'm deeply missing a room that I can study sound in ... and I'm trying to learn this new science. Much of it 'seemed' to go against everything I had learned [or thought I had]. More and more, though, the light is shinning brighter ... BUT this is a ongoing progression of learning AND trying to implement what these guys are trying to teach me. On top of that ... trying to then BUILD it according to the unforgiving standards. One careless, sloppy or 'oh that'll be fine' will compromise the entire effort. It took me 2 months to clear my area and beef-up between the rafters. and I STILL had NOTHING to be able to work in :| It IS discouraging. But Glenn, or Stuart, or xSpace stepped in and confirmed the difficulty ... but in a way that encouraged me. Then you read on 'Crams' building thread ... and feel the jubilation in his writing when he finds he can play his power trio without disturbing the newborn baby. SURE ... he work hard on his build, and his building skills help make that possible. I'm only TRYING to get it to that level of success. I won't know till I complete mine to hear if it even works. The natural restriction in the area of my room [low ceiling basement] is the reality I am in. The bottom line is this ... no matter HOW this room comes out ... it'll be so much better than what I had there. I'm sure that it won't match up to Bernie Grundman's room [one of my favs] BUT ... I know that I'm am learning something very interesting here. The wealth of information that these GURU's offer is UNPRECEDENTED ! Back in the day, Acousticians would tell you as little as possible for alot of $$$$. Sure, in this day of sample libraries, VSTi, and bedroom studios ... some feel that acoustics is a non issue. Learning how sound works, and how to control/contain it are fundamentals that we engineers need to understand ... intuitively so that we can build sonic landscapes. That requires a controlled room to work in, so that it has the best chance to translate in the outside world. Hey phlange ... sorry for crashing your thread ... I just felt bad for you. Try to step back, and re-group. I'm trying to stay focused by smaller steps... otherwise it can overwhelm. And I don't want that ... I want to ENJOY learning and building this room. OK, so maybe the second layer of drywall might not be as much FUN as the first :shock: But I bet I'll hear something like ... 'yeah ... if you do it right ... you'll have something you'll really enjoy". peace.

much better - worst case, you have low budget so you layout out your room as best as possible and make a handful of smart treatment decisions and move on. if you have the budget, skills, materials, etc, then add the soffits, isolation, etc etc to improve things to the next level.

I agree with everyone else: don't give up so easily! With a budget of US$250 you can at least make a half dozen absorbent panels. Just that alone will make a big difference to most rooms. Then you can add more later, as funds allow. - Stuart -

And what everyone said here is why everyone else around the Internet/world wide web recommends...being here:)

Soundman2020 wrote:

I agree with everyone else: don't give up so easily! With a budget of US$250 you can at least make a half dozen absorbent panels. Just that alone will make a big difference to most rooms. Then you can add more later, as funds allow. - Stuart -

YES, I can make as many acoustic panels as I like. I even bought box of 12 2" 703. Now WHICH ONES , of WHICH TYPE, GO WHERE ? Is my only question. :-) And if there are a hundred replies to THAT^ QUESTION.

If you have 12 panels of 2" 703, I would make six devices, all the same, each with 2 layers in it, for a total of 4". Each would just be a wooden frame with the 703 inside it and cloth across the front. I would put one of those in each of the vertical corners of the room, where they would work as bass traps, and one on each side of the room, at your first reflection points. Then, when you can afford more 703, I'd make a few more the same way, hang one or two from the ceiling as clouds at your first reflection points up there, put a couple more on the front wall, right behind your speakers, and a couple on the back wall. That's a pretty much standard way of treating a room. - Stuart -

thanks:)