Studio Control Room Layout.. [Square Room]

I have this square room for my control room and I have a couple questions. The window/doors/sliding doors can be put anywhere in the room.. The only limitation is the room is the following dimensions. Info: *Height = 8ft standard ceiling plaster, painted *Location = Upstate NY, USA *Floor is hardwood *Walls are plaster, painted Questions: *I have read it is ideal to sit 38% from a side of the room when listening to monitors, is this true? If so, did I design accordingly? *Would it be ideal to put the door/windows/sliding doors in a symmetrical way in the room (I.E. back wall centered, front wall centered)? *Is it true that the monitors should form an Equilateral Triangle? *Is there anything wrong with where the monitors are placed? Is it bad how close they are to the wall behind them? *Would it be better to put them on the desk so they're not blocked by the TV. This is shown in the 2nd picture? *Where do you guys buy the fiberglass insulation for the bass traps? I have lowes, walmart, home depot, etc in my area... Lowes has R13, R19, R25, and R30 insulation, would this work? *Where should an access door go?[ideally] and why *Where should a window into the live room go?[ideally] and why Any advice or opinions are appreciated. Thanks!

ok forget the previous design.. similar questions tho. Have done a ton of researching and I am learning more and more. Apparently the greeks figured out the "golden ratio" of 1: 1.62 : 2.62?? Control Room: H=7ft, W=11.34', L=18.34' [approximated in the drawing] Live Room: H=8ft, W=12.96', L=20.96' [approximated in the drawing] Not sure what to do about treatment in either rooms... I drew what i figured would roughly work.. Because the control room has to be 7 feet tall for the ratio, what are some ways I can lower the ceiling the foot? So how does this studio look...? any ideas/opinions?

Heres yet another design I have come up with.. This design seems to be an improvement on the last one. *The door to the storage area seems to throw off the symmetry of the control room but I figure if I cover it with the same size paneling on both sides of the room, it would help even it out? *This drawing takes into account the 2 I Beams that run across the basement ceiling (totally forgot about these).. Figured it would be way easier to build the rooms around the I beams rather than have them run thru a room and have to acoustically treat it.. Thus, thats why there are the large air gap/ "double leaf" (i think?) design between the rooms.. *The "double leaf" between the control room and the storage was not purposely designed, just ended up like that from where the beam has to run thru there and I didnt want uneven walls.. *Is it a good idea to have the live room have some large acoustic pannels on wheels so I can essentially make a "vocal booth" if I really needed isolation? This way, I can have the large 20' room and still utilize it as a small vocal booth if necessary? *What would be some good ceiling treatment for these rooms? *Is it still the "Golden Ratio" [of 1 : 1.62 : 2.62] if you have a room and acoustically treat it with all sorts of bass traps etc? Does it still follow the "golden ratio" or do you measure it accounting for the "treatments"??? *What are the benefits, if any, to having the monitors being farther away from your sitting position vs. on the desk? I would really appreciate any input. Thanks

you're missing an isolation wall on the side with the doors. why not post the floor plan of the space available including non-movable walls, pipes, ducts, etc? as far as ratios, there are many more ratios which are better acoustically so picking one or two will depend on your space available. how come the 1' difference in ceiling height between rooms?

gullfo wrote:

you're missing an isolation wall on the side with the doors. why not post the floor plan of the space available including non-movable walls, pipes, ducts, etc? as far as ratios, there are many more ratios which are better acoustically so picking one or two will depend on your space available. how come the 1' difference in ceiling height between rooms?

"you're missing an isolation wall on the side with the doors" Hmm, good point. ok i'll post another floor plan with only the non-movable walls tomorrow hopefully. There are no pipes either to worry about. Only other thing is the 2 " I " Steel Beams running across the ceiling that are 6" in width. The ceiling difference of 1' is because I thought the "golden ratio" was best, and second of all the upstairs living room was going to be lowered 6" or a 1' as a possible design plan.. However, the studio takes priority.. Where can I read over these other ideal acoustic ratios? I searched google and john sayer's site and didnt happen to see it?

stratmaster713 wrote:

Where can I read over these other ideal acoustic ratios? I searched google and john sayer's site and didnt happen to see it?

Welcome to JLS RSD. I see you have already mastered my tagline. :mrgreen: There are no "ideal" ratios, just varying degrees of acceptability. Save alook at the ratios in the excel sheets here, and all the related pages for the explanation if you wish. Andre

i'd keep all the ceiling height possible and not get too complex. focus on good ratios, really good isolation, and excellent acoustic treatments to get the rooms as good as possible. the beams are what they are and have to be considered in the layout and isolation design.

gullfo wrote:

i'd keep all the ceiling height possible and not get too complex. focus on good ratios, really good isolation, and excellent acoustic treatments to get the rooms as good as possible. the beams are what they are and have to be considered in the layout and isolation design.

+1. Within the good ratios, the greater the volume, the better the room. For any given ratio, the volume increases 3x the height increase. Andre

AVare wrote:

stratmaster713 wrote:

Where can I read over these other ideal acoustic ratios? I searched google and john sayer's site and didnt happen to see it?

Welcome to JLS RSD. I see you have already mastered my tagline. :mrgreen: There are no "ideal" ratios, just varying degrees of acceptability. Save alook at the ratios in the excel sheets here, and all the related pages for the explanation if you wish. Andre

Thanks for this.

gullfo wrote:

i'd keep all the ceiling height possible and not get too complex. focus on good ratios, really good isolation, and excellent acoustic treatments to get the rooms as good as possible. the beams are what they are and have to be considered in the layout and isolation design.

I figured larger rooms would sound better. My latest design [listed previously] was constructed around these beams.. Seems like if I do it like my last design, it will go around the beams and also double as good isolation. Some information: *The dotted reference lines are where the 6" wide beams are across the basement ceiling. *The stairs have to stay where they are. *The outer door needs to be somewhere along that wall on the upper right side. *I need a control room and a live room and preferably a storage room and lounge *I prefer square rooms so I could sell the house easier in the distant future. [but I'm open to suggestions] Couple questions: 1) lets say you acoustically treat a room that is 15'x20'x8', does it act like a room that's 15'x20'x8' still or do you take the acoustic treatments in account for the size of the room? 2) Why did you suggest an isolation wall for the outer wall of the latest design? Was it so the rest of the house is quieter or was there an alternative reason? Thanks for all the help! Very knowledgeable people on this forum. Makes me want to take a couple acoustic engineering classes at school, haha.

could you post the SU file? if it's too large, save a copy, strip out and purge everything except what you've shown here.

gullfo wrote:

could you post the SU file? if it's too large, save a copy, strip out and purge everything except what you've shown here.

i've tried uploading it without any thing but the walls (as shown) in both firefox and windows internet explorer and it wont complete the upload.. I will try again tomorrow morning

thanks!

gullfo wrote:

thanks!

Idk if I am doing something wrong, but even after a few minutes the file is not uploaded.. It just stays on that "File Upload in Progress" screen. I will try again tomorrow and leave it on for a long time. The file only has the walls and nothing more; it is only 40MB so I dont think its too large... Sorry for the wait

ah... the file needs to be 512K or so... :mrgreen: I suggest making a copy and doing a windows -> model -> statistics -> purge to remove all the extraneous stuff...

That area looks like to be ideally used, a corner control room may be in his future...