Greetings, and looking for feedback...

Started by Celt on 18 April 2004. 13 replies. In the Library under Control room design.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 1529.

Longtime lurker, but first time poster. I'm getting ready to begin construction (I say I, but I mean my brother...I have a hard time operating a hammer myself) very soon on my new studio and wanted to get some feedback, ideas etc.... I'm fairly new to the actual construction phase of things, as I've been operating out of a single room studio for awhile now... This a very loose idea thus far, and I may end up having closer to 27x27 to work with, but I won't know until the business in front is done (I'm going to be housed in the back of a multi-theater...which may throw a few more kinks into the soundproofing aspect of things!)... For now, I went with the conservative figure of 27x22 and some of the things I would like to have. Thank you ahead of time.
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13 x 7 is a tiny control room. 18 x 13 would be more realisitic and more useable IMO. cheers John
Boy I Missed that one. LOL Yeah that is a CRAMPED!!!!!! Control Room. Can U say claustrophobic. You could do a nice roomy corner control room and still have tons of space for everything else including a small lounge area. 12x11 is a nice sized drum Room for your space. :) 5x5 is a cramped Iso Room IMO And you can do well with a 5x5 Storage Room instead of 5x9 :) I use less space than that for storage and I have a ton of Mic stands and a ton of Cables n stuff. Bryan Giles
lol Guess it seemed big compared to the little corner I'm in now, but that's why I came here was for ideas!!!! I'll do some changes and post em up. Thanks
You know, with 2 iso booths and the main tracking room, I wouldn't think you'd need to have a drum room isolated from the main tracking area. I guess it depends on how you would want to record a full band, but the 2 ways I would do it would be: a) everyone in the tracking room and not worry about bleed- coming from a 1-room solution you know just as much about this as I do ;) b) drummer in the main tracking room and the other guys stuffing their amps into the iso booths- maybe standing in Control, maybe in tracking, but wherever- the primary noise is outside the tracking room with the drums. IMHO the main tracking room is pretty much where the drums hang out. You could build variable-acoustics into the walls (per John's designs on the SAE site) if you wanted to have a more flexible room. But I guess my argument for doing this is to make fewer rooms that are each bigger- carving out a bigger control room would be a lot easier if the drum room wasn't necessary. But again, it depends on how you work. I personally would just rather have bigger rooms- it's easier to get them sounding good. Kase www.minemusic.net
Thanks for the feedback and ideas....I'm leaning towards believing that you're correct, Kase. Might be a better option to have a nice, open live room instead of separate drum booth. I'm hoping to use this for practice for my band, as well, so not separating us from one another would be another perk while just jamming! I'm currently playing with how I can modify the corner control room floor plan to fit the existing setup, but thought I'd give as much info as I could first to see if anyone else had ideas of what to do with this room! Some other pertinent info regarding the room... It will be approximately 28 feet wide by 25 feet deep. If you were viewing it as the bottom being 'south', the ceiling is 9 feet. It has a slight grade so that when it gets to the north wall, it is 8 feet. There is a lifting load door in the 'northeast' corner on the north wall and I have an entrance through standard door in the 'southwest' corner on the west wall. I'm open to any ideas anyone has. I have about a month before we actually begin construction, but the more details I can work out ahead of time, the better! I admit to being a dolt about the design and construction, which is why I've come here! :shock:
*snicker* From reading your last post, you're closer to my own position than I'd thought... coming from a single-room studio to a larger space, AND you need a spot to tuck your band away inside. This explains perfectly why you wanted the tracking room to be so large. You don't want to move your own band's gear around every time you get a client in there. This also explains the difference between the main tracking room and the other iso booth. I have been playing with design ideas to get around this problem for a while. There's a couple solutions I've come to, but I'm still working out which one I'll use. a) 2 tracking rooms- one big enough for a whole band (yours, for example) and one big enough to track drums. In this case, a client band would put the drummer in the drum room and everyone else in the control room, possibly with amps in iso or playing direct thru DI boxes or PODs (these are a wonderful thing to have for laying scratch tracks, even if you never use them for real tracking). If you go this route, I'd scratch one of the Iso booths to make more room- you'll need it to keep from having a tiny control room. b) 1 tracking room big enough to hold your band AND a client band without having to move everything around. This is one of my favored concepts, just because it means the tracking room will be the biggest, which will make it the best-sounding and easiest to treat for acoustics. Depending on your layout, you may again need to sacrifice an iso booth. c) The tracking room big enough for the client band, and the control room super-oversized- because control would double as your band's practice room. This is another good one to me, because now the control room has to be big- and again, a bigger room will sound better and be easier to treat. This will make your mixing a little easier because of the big room (many studios have a bigger control room than tracking room for this reason). The only big drawback I'm running into here is with laying out stuff in the control room itself- it's easiest to put my band's drums in the back of the control room, but that means the drums are right next to the most absorptive wall in the room. If I want to track drums where they stand, I'll need to build some reversible panels into the back wall to make the room more live. This isn't a big deal, really. But in this configuration, multiple iso booths will help you out a little- and the main tracking room for clients can be relatively small. The drums would go in there, while the rest of the client band stand in control, with amp(s) in iso. I know this sounds like I'm making mountains out of molehills, but it's the kind of thing you should think about when doing the layout so you don't get stuck with an impossible problem later on. It really sucks telling my guys that they gotta break everything down once a week to make room for a client- especially when the keyboards take up just as much floor space as the drums. Spend some time thinking about it. Your choice of configuration will depend greatly upon how you prefer to work. Kase www.minemusic.net
of those options, 'b' would be my preferred....luckily, I'm in a 3 piece band, so we don't take up a ton of room. :lol:
You're lucky. I play in a prog-metal band, so my drummer has a huge kit and our keyboardist has 4 different keyboards- and he also plays guitar on some songs, so he takes up 1/4 of the room! But yeah, in your case, having your band play in the control room would be easy. Build some adjustable panels in the back, and you won't even have to move them into the next room to record- just walk over to your desk and hit the button. That's one part of having the band practice at the studio that I really enjoy... Kase www.minemusic.net
any ideas for a layout? I really want to start from scratch on my end, instead of my preconceived notions of what I want it to 'look like'. Kase, I'm gonna check out your band. I enjoy prog stuff (ala Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Spock's Beard, King Crimson, etc). I can't imagine having that many people and that much crap to lug around!!!!! lol www.boom-stick.com
Thanks for the interest. Hope you enjoy it- the heavier DT is closer to what we do... we're all big fans of Symphony X as well. I'll do what I can for a layout for you, but it'll probably be tomorrow before I get to it. Gotta close up shop early tonight, and I have my daughter to myself this evening... Kase www.minemusic.net
freaky I clicked on your link and got Johnny Cash flipping me off! :shock:
bump "helpp meeee" The Fly