Place to compose music in Poland

Hello Everybody, its my first post here. Me and my folks got quite nice place to mannage for some kind of studio i use to say workshop to compose music. DIMMENSIONS (i wanted to attach file from sketchup but its 4,2 MB) hight is 4,3 m (4.1m to rail), walls are 30cm wide. room1: 4,3m x 6.52m x 4,3m room 2: 4m x 2,22m x 2,5m (but its temporary construction from gypsum, will destroy it and will have 4,3m) room3: 1,92m x 6,04 x 4,3m ABOUT I'm from Katowice, Poland. Its in southern part of this postcomunistic country :) Place i got is old car workshop, covered almost fully by tiles (floor and walls to 2,1 m). This is in room 1. Room 2 was arranged for office. Ceiling was reduced from 4,3 m to 2,5 and its made of gypsum. Room 3 is empty and it's supposed to be a storehouse. About neighbours: on the left side will be office from the night watchman, on the right there is a small office with some trainings, but they do it 3 times a month. OUR PLANS FOR THE VERY BEGINING: Arrange walls Destroy wall between room 2 and 3. insert window between room 1 and 2 (on the left) insert two pairs of doors between room 1 and 2 (on the right) seal garage doors and cover them by foamed polystyrene to equal niche to concrete walls. seal and cover windows above garage doors by foamed polystyrene also. STAGE OF PROJECT: Right now, none. I'm reading this forum, some smart books and ask friends about acoustic treatment. I asked manager of the building and he needs one day to clean up the room. LOUDNESS: I took fender 15' amp and put on the middle of the room and played iPod. Few meters away it was 97 dB (C), 96(A). In the room 2 it was 78 dB (C), 77 dB (A). In th hall it was 74 dB(A), 78 dB (C). MUSIC: It's supposed to be place to compose music but ,hey why not to invite bands to play and record their stuff. I compose all kinds of music. Instruments i play are guitars, keys, drums. BUDGET: For acoustic treatment its about 4,000 euro. Another 4,000 euro is for equipment. CONDITIONS: I'm sound engineer but i work live on FOH. Right now my band is recording new album so till end of april i have maybe 4 gigs. I want to use this time as much as possible. Me and my mate will make mostly all kind of works. My father-in-law is qualified DIY man and he earn money by building houses and renovating apartments. So i can get equipment from him and help in big cases. MATERIALS: In room 1 floor is covered by tiles. Walls are also covered by them to 2,1m. Walls are made by concrete and are 30cm wide. Roof is covered by roofing paper and made by sheet metal. And have few rails to strength construction. In room 2 there is a very big window 3,5m x 1,15m. QUESTIONS: 1. Is foamed polystyrene good to cover garage doors and windows? I will not use them so i want to cover them. But I dont want them to resonate. 2. I want to "make walls" by few layers: air, fiberglass(mineral wool?), OSB (wooden plate). I saw few sketches and know that walls should be irregular. I wanted to make sth like in Stefan's room: but i have on both sides from front window and doors. I read reference area about walls but there is too many strange therms and i couldnt find them in any dictionary. 3. How to shape the ceilings? 4. Destroy whole wall between room 2 and 3 or leave something from the top? It's 4,3m high i can destroy parts or whole. 5. What about floor? Can we leave tiles and cover them by carpets? 6. I dont know which materials use for walls. My friends suggested Isover Pt80 (15cm) but do u suggest? 7. How to transfer sockets when i will make new wall bigger about next 30cm (or more)? 8. Is it good idea to destroy wall between room 2 and 3? Idea is to put drums in the corner to have quite big room in "L" shape: 8m to the right, 6 m to the left and the roof is about 4,3m. But there is only 2m of width. 9. Two pairs of doors should be enough or should we buy "acoustic doors"? Okey, thats all. Hope language is good and you can understand everything ;) Big thanks for help.

In sketchup go to Window/Model info/Statistics/ and click purge unused and save the file. That will take your file size down so you can post it.

Thanks John, so here is my sketchup: (Where i can change in sketchup this drawing design to normal one?)

Here it is as a normal file. cheers john

After few hours of brainstorming we made new sketches of controll room and live room. project 1 drums :shot: in the corner and walls in controll room project 2 drums :shot: on the side project 3 coffin in the controll room proposition of wall construct previously i wanted to destroy whole wall, now i thought about sth like this. i'm talking about wall between room 2 and 3. the "v" shape. project of ceilings: What do you think about this projects? In all of them i have problem with window from controll room to live room, its gonna be big space between them. Also problem is with doors from CR to LR. In this project they are wery tight, i'm not sure if musiscians will be able to put by them drums, cabinets end other stuff.

Here is modified sketchup file, still doesnt know why my project is 2,5 MB and John's big is 800 KB... And here are all photos from this place. Thanks and cheers

This monday we will start working in our place because 25th march will have first session. Any idea about sealing this garage doors? Polystyrene blocks will be okay?

i will be very happy if anyone will help with answering my questions from first post. thanks

Hey, In answer to the Styrofoam question, it really has little ability to do anything except for some thermal properties. It has no mass and may even rattle so much that it creates a problem if it was not glued to the surface...but it just has no value here. You should use regular fluffy insulation if you are trying to damp down this door. Garage doors require some attention to detail since they are basically the same as a closed door with poor seals...only bigger :)

One more thing...unless you guys have some real skills...tearing down walls is not something that should be done simply to open up space. In a block building as often as not, this wall is supporting something overhead. These are the questions that only you guys can answer. If it is a support wall of >anything< then tearing it down without taking that support of the above into consideration can be a harmful concern Pictures?

Thanks for all answers. I asked the owner and he agreed to tear down this wall as this is not supporting wall. This aint have anything above. It's just roof covered by roofing paper and made by sheet metal. And have few rails to strength construction. So when i will fill this doors with fluffy insulation like ISOVER PT 80 then i can skip building another wall in this area? And you suggest the same thing with windows above garage doors? thanks

Today after visiting place landlord told me this place is no longer available. So we will get new place 80m2. Will open new topic with info about this new place. Thanks all for help with this project.

please don't open a new thread until you are sure you have secured the building!! :x