help with live room

hey everyone, the goal of my studio is to get the live room to sound as best as it can, i have already built the control room (thanks for all the info everyone posts here) and the live room seems to confuse me a little, so i just want to make sure im on the right path. im in the process of designing/builidng the live room , i have researched as much as i could before i posted here but i had a quick question as to see if im on the right track or not with the design. The ceilings are 30 ft tall and are just exposed beams and some pipes, my question is with the height of the ceilings just being flat would this be the start to many acoustic problems or can i get away with just leaving it the way it is? my budget wouldnt really allow for cathedral or vaulted ceilings but would putting a drop ceiling be a better cost effective option to help the sound of the room? another question is with the layout of the acoustic treatment for the live room would this work or am i missing something? and with bass traps and other treatments would i have to make them go all the way to ceiling or should only going like 10 ft be ok to get away with. the right arrow that was cut off on the bottom pic is the location for the door to control room and then the one to left of that is the control room window sorry about that thanks for your time ben fairweather

Hai Ben and welcome to the forum. As I read your post I'm a bit confused; is your live room build already and you only need it dressed-up, acoustically? Or do you have to construct a live room yet?

the live room has not been built yet, but the plan i drew up is what the room is shaped like already there is no iso booth so im tryin to figure out what i can do to make this room best as possible sorry about that

so how does it interface to the control room and where are the doors and windows?? we aren't mind readers.

the plans i drew up show the doors and i wrote at the bottom of my post that two arrows got cut off and you can see just the tips of them at th bottom of the second pic and the one on the at the bottom right is the door to the control room and the one to the left on the bottom is the window(4x6 ft) from the control room looking into the live room there is also a door going to the bathroom on the right side of the room all the doors are 3 ft wide

Have another crack at Sketch-up in 3D. Include the control room, doors, windows and the correct thickness of walls. You will get a better response

You didn't mention as well what kind of "live" room you are looking for. Live?? Almost live? Sick? Diying? :mrgreen: That will determine how much absorption etc

"The ceilings are 30 ft tall and are just exposed beams and some pipes, my question is with the height of the ceilings just being flat would this be the start to many acoustic problems..." The start of your problems are in that your wall lengths create a square room. The taller the ceiling the farther away is your ability to reach them when you are hanging acoustics to tame the poor effects from the square room :)

sorry guys i hope this will help out better i havent used sketchup before, the wall construction is double drywall insualtion(2x4) and exterior concrete wall, except for the front wall with the two doors and window and the back wall with the double doors which construction is double drywall insulation(2x4) double drywall. the back wall with double doors lead to storage and the front wall with the window leads to control room and the single door on the right goes to the bathroom the isolation booth hasn't been built yet i mostly record rock and metal music i would like the room to be dry but have an area where it is also lively hope this helps thanks for your input

Easiest thing to do is to build broadband panels and hang them on your walls. Harder and nicer would be to build a small lumber frame on your walls to support insulation and then cover the whole area with nice fabric made of 1x2 frames. You can also build slat resonators, in the shape you want. They can be rectangular frames, angled, zig-zag patterns, etc. Creativity is all that matters. Why don't you measure your room to determine real life problems and then build resonators to fix those frecs? Then its a matter to put absorption to create the room as dry as you need Also, you could build a cloud hanging over the place you'll put the drumkit, etc

thedankben - have you run your room measurements through the reverb calculator? http://johnlsayers.com/Pages/Reverb_Calc.htm that will give you an idea of how much treatment you will need.

Seems like a drop ceiling at 12-14 feet would go a long way in bringing down the natural room reverb and create a soft ceiling too. Any takers?