stock designs

I am looking at leasing ground floor (concrete slab) warehouse space for a combination recording studio/150seat venue/music school. I am in Orillia Ontario Canada. The space is 40feet wide x 60 feet long x at least 25 feet high. The structure is steel frame similar to, I think, that which is pictured in the studio projects section of your site under "Egan Sound" however this structure is actually 80 feet wide and I will occupy half of it. There are no obstructions/supports in my area. I am wondering if there are any proven, stock control room designs available since I would have enough space for most concievable lay outs. It is my intent that a few small iso booths would double as lesson rooms and the venue would also be the live room for recording (split snake would allow for separate F.O.H.). Budget considerations are a little vague at this time since financing is currently dependant on a good business plan. I need design first in order to do this. I am in a city of 30,000 people which means I have little market so any money saved is that much less business required to survive. Thanks, Dave

It is my assumption that I have not given enough details to warrant a response so I will try a little more. There are no neighbours as this is a commercial area and outside of regular 9 to 5 business hours I would have the building to myself therefore I do not have to worry about sound isolation on the exterior walls of the building. I am looking for a control room design that will give me a tustworthy mixing environment and enough isolation from the live room/venue that I could with a variety of artists including some loud metal/rock bands. Good interior geometry and tried interior accoustic treatment are my prime criteria since I have enough space and load capacity to build a massive, (masonary?) room over the control room. I have looked at some of the design critiria for lede control rooms and if need be could go that way although a 25 foot interior, front wall to back wall, seems bigger than I would otherwise choose. I have looked at many sites on the internet stating that lede designs are now passe and that thier choice du jour is the way to go (hemianechoic, ATTAC, etc). Others suggesting to keep it simple with a typical box shaped room with dementions which fit bolt's golden ratios and to then test and apply diffusers/absorbers till a satisfactory result is achieved. I have done many quality recordings in less than Ideal conditions (gear on dinning room table - snake to the garage) but even with monitors that I think I know, there are always big suprises in mix translation. It is my thought that I don't have to reinvent the wheel but rather should be able to find a stock design for a tested control room with no single demention much over 25 feet that would be a good bet to finance and build at less cost than hiring a designer/engineer/architect. I currently use mid field monitors (8" woofers - ribbon tweeters) but hope afford quality monitors for soffit mounting in said control room. I have looked at pictures in other threads of this site and the sae refference found in this site but have not found any comprhensive plans which include dementions including elavations or construction methods. I have found some floor plans and a wealth of info for the would be designer/builder. I already wear too many hats and would like not to spend the next forseeable future becoming marginally proficient at that which others are already experts. thanks, Dave

I don't think people here will tell you how to build it unless you do the homework yourself. There is plenty of information on this forum. If you search carefully, you will find several sketchup models of studios, which are very detaild and can get you an idea of how it should be done. Furthermore, even with having a kind of detailed plan, it seems that you don't have any knowledge on HOW it has to be built, in termns of where to seal, caulk, how to NOT do it, etc. And that kind of info its here as well. So do yourself a favor a start reading this forum

And start with this one: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3231

read them stickies...and it is the Fourth of July holiday week, so that might make it slow too.

I apologize if my earlier post was misunderstood. I have built serveral basement studios and have become fairly adept in the isolation side of the equation. I understand how modal resonances occur in rooms with parallel walls/surfaces. I work in music- playing, doing sound and recording. I have worked, in my younger days, as a house framer and general renovator. I have spent quite a few hours per day, in the last few days, reading this forum and some others. I studied electroacoustic music and recording technique at Condcordia University in Montreal when our editing was done with a razorblade and the aries modular synth took up a small room. I know much of the science of sound albiet some of the math is above me. all I meant was that what I have found so far is largely how to cope with existing contstruction constaints eg. max ceiling height or any small dimension. I am lucky enough to be looking at a space where as close to Ideal a control room as could be had, could be built. It is my thought that there must exist real finished plans which could be purchased for less than a designer would charge for custom designs. At least is there some sort of volume (Ft3) curve (bell) where one would find the better applications of the golden ratio(s) and then how far splayed could/should the various walls/ceiling be before the modal response of the room is no longer solved by these ratios? I'm sorry to offend but I really have done quite a bit of homework - enough to believe even more strongly that I would rather have an experts design if I can afford one. thanks, Dave

If you are soliciting for a designer, get in touch with John and see what his schedule is like. No one is offended...no one is really certain what the question is, would be my thinking.

I designed mine myself, with the help of Kendale, john and gulfo. Why don't you post a SKP of your available space and see what happens :D