Sketchup for my new control room

Started by ian.lb on 24 May 2009. 58 replies. In the Library under Control room design.

Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 13074.

given that there has to be some sacrifices to make this work, do you think I should sacrifice good isolation between the rooms for the sake of being able to get better dimensions for ratios in the control room?
Others might disagree, but personally I wouldn't sacrifice isolation at all, especially since there are solutions with treatment.
If we dont do the inside out walls in the control room, this will make for a wider room which seems to be what you are saying would be better.
It's still not enough to be worthwhile, though. What I meant was that I wish you had another 30 or 40 cm of width for the entire room, not considering the inner leaf. The inner leaf actually isn't doing much harm, since it reduces the height and width proportionally, but they are so close together that the only solution is increasing either the height or the width separately. Any chance you can knock out that ceiling above you, and raise it by 50 cm? That would get you exactly spot on to Louden's second best ratio, and allow you to make the room a bit over 4 m long, too....! But I guess that's out of the question? It would REALLY make a big difference to the room! But I'm still playing around with it, so don't give up hope yet. And worst case, you'll just need to build some resonators. You'll need to build those anyway, but they'll have to be a bit more tuned and probably with a higher Q, than for John's normal resonator walls. - Stuart -
Sorry Stuart raising the ceiling would mean a re roof and would cost a fortune
Did you notice my post with the questions regarding the ceiling (on page 3)?
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ian, point me to the question and I'll see if I can help you. Stu's prolly too darn busy building his own studio (as he should!) :mrgreen:
Hey Ro, Thanks a lot for getting in touch. I'm sure Stu is busy with his own stuff, I really appreciate the time and effort he's putting in to helping me. I've posted the question about the ceiling below. Stu prob has an idea what to do with the ceiling but I was just wondering if he'd seen my question. Pics of the ceiling construction are on page 3. Thanks again Ro.....
ian.lb wrote:
Soundman2020 wrote:
Quote: I think it is sort of a 'room within a room' with all 2nd leaf walls attached to each other and to the floor but not attached to the existing walls. Exactly! That is EXACTLY what we are talking about! You got it! :)
I cant tell you how happy I was when I read that!!! So, the timbers will take up 2" with a 2" airgap plus 5/8 board then whatever covers the front so approx 5" lost space on each of the sidewalls and across the window....Hmm I'm sold on the idea. For the live room as well. You should have been a salesman ;-)........ Gonna cost a lot more than I thought. I'll price up timber today. A few concerns. 1, Heating. I've got a radiator under the CR window and one in the LR on the right hand side. How the heck would I get these in to the inner structure? 2, Damp/lack of airflow in the outer structure. I have had a bit of an issue with too much condensation in these rooms, especially in the winter. This has lead to a few mould problems. If the airflow is lacking in the outer structure (behind the new leaves) I may suffer with damp problems. Damp / mould can be a nightmare. Is it recommended to heat the outer structure as well as the inner to combat this? I'm sure there are tried and tested methods you are aware of..... 3, The ceiling/roof. I've posted pics to show the current construction. It is already one leaf which is the outer construction of the flat roof mounted on joists. There is currently no insulation between the rooms and the outside world. I took the old plasterboard ceilings down with the aim of insulating this space for both heat retention (England gets very cold in the winter :cry: ), and room treatment. I was planning on using rockwool batts and plasterboarding with soundbloc, using the 10mm neoprene I mentioned earlier to lay along the joists to decouple as much as possible the new plasterboard from the existing structure. I was then gonna leave a 5mm gap around the edge and fill with acoustic caulk. I know this is not a true 2 leaf ceiling structure. Problem is, if I then create a new ceiling below that, it becomes 3 leaf. The wife has been reading the post and is chilled enough to say yeah lets go with the 2 leaf walls but if I try to tell her I aint plasterboarding over those existing joists.....even if I say I'll still pack em with rockwool for insulation.......We may fight!!! :twisted: (The whole 'what will it look like when we move out' arguement will come up again as described earlier :oops: ). The problem is with doing it this way is that the new inner leaf walls will have to attach to the existing joists thru the new plasterboard anyway which I know aint good.....but there are gonna be compromises.....What do you think?
Hai Ian, I'm not really sure what your question is, and don't quite understand what you're suggesting to do. What's with the neoprene? Looking at the following picture... Looks like there's room to add beams on to of the "white" wall, in between current beams. Fill the void with wool, add GB and caulk. Perhaps that's exactly what you're suggesting. In that case, I'd forget about the neoprene. Won't do you much good and how on earth are you gonna attach the wood (or metal) frame to the wall. There's plenty of options tho.. 2 leaf seems possible to me. Hell, why don't you sketch-up your idea? a pictures tells more than a thou.. well, you now the saying.
Hi Ian, Small control
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