need help completing studio celling & improvments

Hei all, We are 2 guys from israel, age of 27 composing, producing & mixing electronic dance music for the past 10 years, recently in a more professional way. we just finished (Almost) with the studio constructions. First, We have to say many thanks to this forum for all the advices, we lurked here for a while and learned tons from you guys.. ;) The reason we posting here is becouse our celling is undone, and we would like to get advice on how to continue from here.. atm, we get decent sound in our room, mixes comes out just as we expect but we need that little push to get everything just right, we still have some issues there; seems like in our mix spot theres no much of the low end everything up to 120 is in low level, but when we move to the back of the wall, it seems like it sounds perfect there. the speakers comes to life. Room details: the back & left wall are concrete, the back wall is covered with 1 layer 80kg 703 rockwool (5cm) and covered w\gypsum, the rest of the walls are all gypsum from the inside w\ 2 layers of "snow white" absortion panels and the outer walls are all made from cement. the celling is 5cm width wood stripes with 1 layer of 703 rockwool and gypsum coveing the inside of the studio. Acoustics: the back wall is treted with home made basstraps. bottoms are: 3 layers of 703 rockwool 80kg, uppers are: 2 layers 703 80kg & 60kg, we also added malmin foam at the first reflaction points. the side walls are wood frames with 5 layers "snow white" absortion panels, to the side of the console we have 3-5cm malmin panels. Graph: we measure our room using Smaart 6 and Behringer ECM8000 mic, the results are below, were not sure we did it 100% correct, we place the mic in our spot and hit the record w\ pink noise around -6db. at the time we mesure the graph moved and wasnt steady. Gear: we added pics of the room with our gear for reference (changing locations etc if needed..), we wont list our rack gear pics are showing everything we have in 3 racks. also we have 4 keyboards near the back wall. Budget: $500-$1500 we thought of covering part of the celling with malmin foam (good idea?) maybe abouve our heads? Goal: the most natural sound for CR mixing spot in our small room, and get that celling done.. also, english is not my strong side (sorry), if anymore details or info is needed ill post it right away. thanks! Tom. Studio Sky view: Studio Side view: Smaart Graph result: Studio Pics for refrence (racks, mix spot, celling ..) :D

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ok, listen. after 2 posts in this forum and many toughts, i have to say somthing. This forum is nothing close to a professional forum. you are WILLING to be a good one, you asking for a lot of details, you asking to be most specific with the metirials, you ar saying that you will help to all serious posts, but you are nothing close to it. you are letting pepole to work hard on the posts and leaving them BLANK. this is kinda private forum, to a group of pepole who like to collect information for nothing !!! Maybe one day you'll get out of your BOX, and change this forum to somthing usefull. all i wanted is some advice, a hint to improve my room & make better sounding records. Anyway, Thanks for nothing :thu: . this forum is Great ! im sure wont come back here anytime soon. Have a nice day all.

Hey dude, Sorry you feel that way. This forum is free of use and we're glad to help anyone. But never expect us to adhere to your demands like that. When I look at your photos I can only say "add basstraps too start with'. Put your speakers at the right position. Remove those black titties foam panels and replace it by decent broadband and/or basstrap (corners). Add a ceiling absorber above your RFZ and first reflection panels. If you dunno what I'm talking about, you sure didn't do your homework. That's what we ask you to do. Basic room set-up if you'd ask me. good luck

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Temper, temper! What an attitude! When I was a kid, an attitude like that would have gotten your moth washed out with soap, and your butt paddled with a shoe! Where the hell do you get off, barging in here with your DEMANDS, and REQUIREMENTS, and ranting about how poor little you didn't get any attention after a couple of days? Did you really expect that folks here are somehow REQUIRED to drop everything that we are doing, and rush around to specifically pander to your needs, dishing out free advise exactly when and where YOU want it, just for YOUR benefit? HUH? Get a clue. You are right about one thing: This is not a professional forum: If it was, then you would have to PAY to get the kind of advice of that the numerous professional studio designers, acoustic engineers, sound engineers, studio builders, and others who frequent this place give away for free! But it isn't a professional forum: It's just a place where wonderfully generous real experts (and a few overnight experts, like me) give of their time and knowledge FREELY, out of the simple goodness of their hearts, and a desire to help others. So what makes YOU think YOU have the right to crash in here, with your list of demands and grievances, and that huge chip on your shoulder, the complain bitterly while sligning mud and insults all over, just because you didn't get a reply in a couple of days? Sheesh! I don't know what made you think you have the right to expect anything at all from this forum! Nobody here owes you even the time of day!!!! This is just a community of some people with vast knowledge in studio design and construction, and other people want to learn how to build studios, and are glad to simply use this place to do their OWN research on how to do it, then ask questions when they get stuck. You sure do have a major misconception about what this forum is, pal. Maybe you should go back and read the stickies again. Clearly, you didn't even get close to grasping the message the first time around...

@RO - thank you very much for your replay, i surely know what you talking about ok, soundman2020, it's nice to have a replay from you like that, now i can understand what pepole are in this forum.... i can see you never was in a professional forum, at least you know that. i have no clue where did you get any demands from me... but i have a demand to you, keep your advices for yourself !!! if you look again you'll see that was more then couple of days... you have a work to do, i got a studio to finish... at least yo could say it will take 2-4 weeks for replay !!!! and one more thing, I AM SURE WHEN YOU WAS YOUNG YOU GOT YOUR MOUTH WASHED UP WITH A SOAP TO MANY TIMES.... maybe the soap got into your brain !!! Have a Lovley day.

Aloha and welcome to the forum, Tom Okay guys, ease up a bit. Tom, generally speaking, most of the acoustic treatments prescribed in this forum are: - bass traps in front/rear corners (and any other corner - wall/ceiling intersections - if more absorption is needed) - absorptive panels front/center, rear/center & rear side walls & if possible/necessary over mix position - at least 6 degree angled slot absorbers per left & right of mix position (12 degrees total) More often than not, as you read through the forum threads, you'll find products like Owens Corning 703 semi rigid fiberglass, Roxul Rockwool, Owens Corning pink fluffy fiberglass insulation prescribed for insulating and absorption rather than foam based products. Brand names mentioned are what is available in the US, UK, Australia, and other areas of the world. Availability in your area may vary. Look for 2'-3" thick with ratings of 2.5 pcf. Perhaps by reading through the stickies at the top of each forum (Studio Design, Construction, Acoustics, etc) and some of the studio build threads, these may help shed some light on some of the processes involved. Here are a few I would recommend starting with - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5670 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2125 viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5457 Here are a few tips I've collected along the way. Perhaps they'll be useful. • It is better to start with a longer front to back dimension than the side to side dimension because you don't want rear reflections to interfere • Soffits angled 30 deg. in from a flat wall result in speaker baffles being perpendicular to the two legs of equilateral triangle comprised of two speaker centers and a point about 10" behind your head • The baffle extension (the face of the soffit) should be as large as you can make it, up to about 45" in each direction from the woofer in a system with a LF cutoff of around 45 Hz - There's a formula based on LF cutoff that ensures full 2 pi response for the woofer if the baffle is at least the size obtained in the formula's solution - • Monitors should NOT sit on the console but behind, placed on heavy decoupled stands - console placement causes early reflection problems in most cases, unless the console is slanted down in front a LOT. • Distance to wall behind speakers will change response drastically - there is a wall bounce calculator on the Acoustics forum that's fun to play with (needs Excel) • Moving either speakers or your head by as little as an inch or two can sometimes make drastic changes in response, due to modal peaks and dips. • Left/right room symmetry (at least within a foot or two of ear height) is important for good stereo imaging. • Roughly 38% of total room length from the front wall to begin with, adjust position as needed • Equilateral triangle formed by left, right mix position • Monitor height – tweeters aimed at ear level (avoid woofers at mid point of floor to ceiling measurement – either sit higher or lower if necessary) • Angled side absorption panels – left/right of mix position • Side walls 6-12 degrees The more you read (and take organized notes) the more informed you'll be to ask specific questions and make suitable decisions for your studio build. Hope this helps, Aloha 8)