How Relevant Is All The Info To Venues?

Hi, I'm new here, and I have a question. There is loads of useful information here. And I've come across this forum many times before when looking into one thing or another. But, my wife is looking at taking over a pub which deals with live music. and (at least in my opinion) there seems to be some big big issues with the sound. I'm not looking for any direct "you should do this" as i feel there is enough information available (both on here, and on other sites) to work this out for myself. What i'm looking for is for someone to help me figure out what would be relevent information for the stage area, and what would be relevent for the audience area. I've got a few ideas, and i definately know a couple of points which will need sorting (e.g. the stage is hollow and seems to help the bass end resonate nicely...) but i would appreciate any other advice on what information would be applicable where... could the stage be treated as a control room? or a live room? or what?

Thats such a huge question. And the answers would be very different if we knew a bit more info. The sound issue could be gear/PA down falls? PA placement-ceiling height-reflections-funny shaped rooms-bad bands! I personally hate having a really absorbent stage area that give a false sense of what actually happening in the audience. Do you mix live? Give it a try one night...If it's not obvious whats happening (or not happening)in the room when you walk around, I'd suggest getting some-one in, that has the knowledge. lil

More to that- No I don't think you can simply treat the stage as a control room or live room. Auditoriums are different. Though bass traps may help and high-med absorbers always help. Please remember fire safety!

First, I'd suggest that you post specifics! What do you have? What do you want? Diagrams / a SketchUp model / photos. Without seeing what you've got, and knowing what you want, it's really hard to say how to do it! What is wrong with it? Does it need to be isolated, to stop noise getting out and annoying the neighbors? Or does it need acoustic treatment? Or both? It's like asking someone for directions to get from "here" to "there": Unless you can explain accurately where you are now, and where you want to go, nobody can help you by pointing to a map and showing you where to go... Also, did you read this post? viewtopic.php?t=3231

Hi yes i've read through the rules... and the thing is, i'm not looking for anyone to say "I think you should try x treatment on that wall" I'm just looking for how relevant all the information that is already available will be. The bands could certainly be better, as could guitarists not insisting on turning their 100watt amps up full blast. but I'm looking at figuring the rest out myself... Isolation doesn't seem to be an issue, and will be even less so when i get in there properly as I intend to stick to the legal limits for sound, unlike the previous guy who liked to just turn it up. So mainly it's just treatment. regardless of what responses i get i'll still probably end up walking round with differant treatments positioning things differantly to see what works and what doesn't, but i was wondering if the information here, on possible places to put treatments etc would provide me a good starting point or a not so good starting point... so it boils down to 2 questions 1. Is the information here (all related to studios of one form or another) relevant for a venue? 2. Would you treat the whole place as 1 room or the stage and listening areas separately?

It's still not enough info to answer that. you've seen the room, we haven't. I remember a few posts on theatres and the like.. do a search with those key words. acoustics is acoustics- there will be answers here but be aware alot of the guys in here are "experts" because they finished a drum room in the garage. Live sound uses the same laws (acoustic) but for different out comes.

So yes the information here should provide a good starting point... that helps. sorry, i couldn't see the point providing full room layout etc as i wasn't asking for an in depth answer on what exactly to do, as there is enough info on this site to answer that already (assuming it would transpose well to live sound) thanks

Flat reverb time over frequency. Reverb time = .15logV(in ft^3). Evenly spread treatment in room. Dead around stage. With all you have given, that is more than enough. Obviously you know that you have no large reflecting surfaces, as you have not detailed that. Simialrly there are no coupled spaces or acoustic shadows. Unless it is acoustic music.... Andre