Hi Rod
Love your book. Wish I was building a real studio.
I'm building a stand alone single skin drum/ vocal booth.
I want to use a single glass door.
What would be the most sensible cost effective approach?
I'm getting conflicting advice about double glazed vs laminated for my situation.
In the end would it really matter for this type of construction.
Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks
Double glaze or 10mm single laminated glass door?
Originally posted at johnlsayers.com, topic 10519.
Razor,
There's been many discussions about that already.
Laminated glass are 2 panes stacked together without air but with a dampening layer in between. Double glass (I presume you mean with the airgap) will not be as efficient as laminated. Don't use 2x double-glass cuz then you'll end up with a 4 leave construction.
Granted, laminated glass is expensive but it's worth the buck!
Thanks Ro for the response yes I have read lots about this on the forum, but I am getting differing advice from the glaziers I am just checking again before I place my order next week. CheersRazor, There's been many discussions about that already.
When it comes to building a studio window, you'd better forget about what your supplier tells you is best and take Rod's advise from the book or this forum.
The general supplier of glass, wood, gypsum, whatever don't always know what's right and/or wrong concerning studiobuilds. No offense ofcourse, it's just a different game compared to building a house, garage or whatever.
just for curiosity.. what did your supplier tell you?
Hi Ro Agreed the book and the forum are great and my main sources of information. I'm not really building a studio window or a proper studio with a proper door, so alot of the info is well beyond what I am trying to achieve. I try and hold onto the principles though. The double glazing guy said double glazing was the best for sound and the laminated guy said laminated is much better. No surprises there. So I've come back to the source and wanted a straight forward answer for my less than optimal situation. Single leaf small iso booth, single door doubling as a window- laminate or double glaze? Is it going to matter at all- considering the type of construction? Theres some really great work going on here and I love reading what everyone is into. CheersWhen it comes to building a studio window, you'd better forget about what your supplier tells you is best and take Rod's advise from the book or this forum. . just for curiosity.. what did your supplier tell you?
The answer is double glazed with laminate glass of both panes. Pretty simple - BUT - all you need is the 2 pieces of glass - you don't want a company to manufacture an insulated window for you. Make a super door (if you'll only have the one) and then just install the glazing in it similar to a studio window. RodThe double glazing guy said double glazing was the best for sound and the laminated guy said laminated is much better. No surprises there.
oops, double post sorry. see below
Are you saying that putting two laminated glass doors is not a good idea? By "double glass" are you referring to laminated glass, or is a piece of laminated glass just considered one piece? i was considering putting two laminated glass sliding doors into my live iso booth. also.. can somewhere refer me to a thread where there might be links to manufacturers of good glass sliding doors... and also where to buy 1/2" or 3/4" glass cut to size? I was quoted $1100 for a laminated 5'x 7' glass sliding door by Lowe's... which sees steep but then again i have no idea. thanksDon't use 2x double-glass cuz then you'll end up with a 4 leave construction. Granted, laminated glass is expensive but it's worth the buck!
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Laminated glass are 2 panes stacked together and therefor we speak of 1 pane. With double glass I mean thermo-glass, you know 2 panes with AIR in between.
So you need 2x laminated glass for optimum iso. Separate the panes to have air in between. .. confusing, yeah I know... it's actually simple.
Use the Mass-Air-Mass (mam) principle. The glass panes are the MASS.
so you'll end up with such construction:
laminatedglass - air - laminatedglass.
Check this forum for examples, even drawings.
By double glazed I mean MAM
By laminated I mean two sheets stuck together.
So optimal for my situation would be
laminate glass- air- laminate glass.
Now the question 6mm or 10 mm laminated.
Big difference in weight and cost.
Weigh is an issue as this will be a free standing structure.
Yes I have a quote $775 for single 10 mm laminated glass door, ouch.
I feel I'm getting somewhere now thanks both of you.
Cheers
Thanks Rod went back and reread the doors window section of the book and it is all quite clear what to do. ThanksThe answer is double glazed with laminate glass of both panes. Pretty simple - BUT - all you need is the 2 pieces of glass - you don't want a company to manufacture an insulated window for you. Make a super door (if you'll only have the one) and then just install the glazing in it similar to a studio window. Rod
If you are building single-headed glass door shaped drum, its head is made from lizard or goanna skin, and mainly used for Cape York with traditional songs and island dance. Its open end is shaped like the mouth of a crocodile. It is not very hard to build, but its shape is important to be maintained.
"owen23", why are you commenting on a thread that is nearly five years old? And what does the type of drum skin have to do with the best method of building isolation windows? And what on earth is a "single-headed glass door shaped drum"??? :shock: :!:
If you plan to spam the forum, you can forget that right now.
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