eaves detail

Im currently working my way through rod gervais book. Ive just read the “Wall Construction” section and hes not covered the eaves detail I require. Ive got a question regarding the fixing of a sole plate to an existing truss in a limited headspace room. Should I use neoprene pads/RC or something else at each truss location fixing my sole plate through this, or can I just use a typical soleplate detail here? Cheers, again

any comments on this drawing - do i need an RC1 above the timber partitions?

elektrasoul wrote:

Im currently working my way through rod gervais book. Ive just read the “Wall Construction” section and hes not covered the eaves detail I require. Ive got a question regarding the fixing of a sole plate to an existing truss in a limited headspace room. Should I use neoprene pads/RC or something else at each truss location fixing my sole plate through this, or can I just use a typical soleplate detail here? Cheers, again

I would recommend going back and reading it again. Your terminology is upside down and you design is in need of repair. I'm sure it is all covered ;) A sole plate, also called a bottom plate, is located on the bottom of the stud wall. Attaching any part of your isolated structure to the existing structure terminates the isolation. Ideally you do not want your walls to butt against the building. This can introduce flanking into your space. If the interior wall height is lowered just enough to remove contact with the exterior structure then ceiling framing can be introduced into the above ceiling cavities between the existing joists. These joists sit on top of the interior studio walls. This ceiling can be decoupled from the walls in various manner if it is really needed to meet a specif number. Do you have pictures of this structure? That helps a lot...a whole lot.

xSpace wrote:

I would recommend going back and reading it again. Your terminology is upside down and you design is in need of repair. I'm sure it is all covered ;)

aye, right pal! lol

xSpace wrote:

A sole plate, also called a bottom plate, is located on the bottom of the stud wall.

soleplate is top plate, wallplate is bottom plate.

xSpace wrote:

Attaching any part of your isolated structure to the existing structure terminates the isolation.

thats why im asking the question! :-/

xSpace wrote:

Ideally you do not want your walls to butt against the building. This can introduce flanking into your space.

again, thats why im asking the question! there may not be much else i can do here though. :-/

xSpace wrote:

If the interior wall height is lowered just enough to remove contact with the exterior structure then ceiling framing can be introduced into the above ceiling cavities between the existing joists. These joists sit on top of the interior studio walls. This ceiling can be decoupled from the walls in various manner if it is really needed to meet a specif number.

i cant lower the ceiling any further, not got enough headroom, hence the RC1/2. :-/

xSpace wrote:

Do you have pictures of this structure? That helps a lot...a whole lot.

heres something

If you google this is one item that pops up

The sill plate is the framing member which sits directly on the foundation, slab or footing. Other names may be base-plate, mudsill, sole-plate, sill plate, etc. In newer construction this plate is bolted to the foundation.

And a wall plate is typically something that covers a penetration.ie light switch, AC receptacle, phone jack or in our case XLR or TRS connectors RSIC clips with hat channel for your ceiling http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/rsic_ ... _clips.htm And here is a way to attach your walls with decoupling http://www.silentsource.com/rsic_prods.html#RSICDCxx Peace Tom

elektrasoul wrote:

i cant lower the ceiling any further, not got enough headroom, hence the RC1/2. :-/

I hope you take this in the way it is given Mr. elektrasoul, but you are not qualified to correct me or the likes of anyone, even with 1,000 construction books in your hand :) Like I mentioned before, you need to read that book and do some due diligence and concern yourself with learning the information at hand. It will not come to you easy if you are not involved hands on. The chances of your build being 100% successful run a hard parallel line with your actual knowledge of the materials and practices involved in construction which I have and you seem to lack at the present.

Hey come on!! No disrespect Xspace but I am worried you jumped on my words I did not mean to be condescending by any means. And If I was I apologize. Cant we all just get along? Or just help move conversation in a positive direction? We are all here to Help, Learn and Guide, the best way we can. I think that was John S.' vision of this site. So many times it moves past that point and its not pleasant to participate. I just want to be helpful and be a participant. I feel I have some knowledge to pass along and if its incorrect by all means correct me, but be respectful at the same time. Everyone!!!!!!! This site got me to were I am at today and was very beneficial in getting me there. I can only be thankful for that. But my learning curve was huge and took some time for it all to sink in. And I think of myself as pretty intelligent. But once I got it ....I got it. Give some of these guys the chance to get their heads above water.......Cause the rivers deep with this stuff :shock: Peace Tom

TomVan wrote:

If you google this is one item that pops up

The sill plate is the framing member which sits directly on the foundation, slab or footing. Other names may be base-plate, mudsill, sole-plate, sill plate, etc. In newer construction this plate is bolted to the foundation.

And a wall plate is typically something that covers a penetration.ie light switch, AC receptacle, phone jack or in our case XLR or TRS connectors

around this neck of the woods it isnt. ;-)

TomVan wrote:

RSIC clips with hat channel for your ceiling http://www.acousticalsurfaces.com/rsic_ ... _clips.htm And here is a way to attach your walls with decoupling http://www.silentsource.com/rsic_prods.html#RSICDCxx Peace Tom

cheers! thats a bit more like it. although they could be expensive.

xSpace wrote:

elektrasoul wrote:

i cant lower the ceiling any further, not got enough headroom, hence the RC1/2. :-/

I hope you take this in the way it is given Mr. elektrasoul, but you are not qualified to correct me or the likes of anyone, even with 1,000 construction books in your hand :) Like I mentioned before, you need to read that book and do some due diligence and concern yourself with learning the information at hand. It will not come to you easy if you are not involved hands on. The chances of your build being 100% successful run a hard parallel line with your actual knowledge of the materials and practices involved in construction which I have and you seem to lack at the present.

lol. who the f_ck do you think you are?

TomVan wrote:

We are all here to Help, Learn and Guide, the best way we can. I think that was John S.' vision of this site. Peace Tom

that was what i thought aswell. this xSpace guy is coming across a right twat! lol anyway, heres something else for you to look at. again, im struggling for space in this wee garage. thanks for all the positive responses so far. ;)

TomVan wrote:

Hey come on!! No disrespect Xspace but I am worried you jumped on my words

Tom, I never mentioned your name boss and appreciated that what you said supported basic framing terminology as we know it. So please accept my apology, Tom, for whatever it is you think I have done in "jumping".

Thanks Xspace. I was afraid I had said something that prompted your response. And that maybe my tone was taken out of context too. My apologies to you. And Mr.Elektrasoul you missed the point entirely. Play nice Good reading here..... :arrow: http://www.taylor-lane.co.uk/glossary.php Peace Tom

.............................................Amen Gentlemen! :wink: :wink: :wink: Kindest regards as always, Lou. 8)