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I found a great acoustic products company in Massachusetts..

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:51 pm
by MSR74
The company is www.soundisolationcompany.com and they seem very reputable and have very reasonable prices. I have called for mass vinyl and their prices are rediculously good! Check them out. They are very friendly on the phone and very helpful with information. They are helpful with making sure your getting exactly what you need and don't need.

Mickey

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:46 am
by sharward
My B.S. meter runs in the red whenever I see Web site that sells so-called"soundproofing foam".

Their data sheet claims an STC of 20 to 32 for a "single pass" of their "soundproofing barriers." Those who don't do their soundproofing homework will think they can just add this thing to an existing wall and expect an increase of up to 32 STC points. Bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer!

The merits of this kind of product, better known as "mass loaded vinyl" or "MLV," have been debunked here with regularity. Here's an example.

Perhaps they should change their domain name to soundisolationsnakeoil.com...

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:06 am
by MSR74
So you think this may not be a good place to purchase...I am new to this studio construction and am soon planning to build my own room...what are your thoughts? I need direction...especially if these aren't the right products for my needs.

Mickey

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:38 am
by sharward
I can relate being new to the process. Google searches bring up all kinds of products with impressive promises. Then you come to a place like this that debunks those myths and dares to look at the science behind it all.

Spend a good deal of time here studying all you can. Start HERE at the "Before You Post" announcement. You'll learn that the most efficient means of "soundproofing" (I use the term loosely because there truly is no such thing) is a principle known as "mass-air-mass" (or sometimes referred to as "mass-spring-mass"), abbreviated as MAM or M-A-M (or MSM or M-S-M) -- a two leaf system. Each "mass" is considered a "leaf." The more mass, the better. The wider the air gap, the better. Insulation counts as air if you can breathe through it. Generally speaking, you get the most bang for your buck using multiple layers of ordinary drywall. Sure, there are speciality products out there -- some of which have been proven to work, others that haven't -- but they tend to be very expensive relative to what you can do with more conventional building products.

Learn what STC is, and then realize that for your purposes, it is probably not a valid measure, given its limited spectrum.

This post is intended to pique your interest and prompt you to do more research here -- not necessarily a point-by-point Q&A. Once you've done a good amount of research, you may become disappointed at how hard it is to achieve good isolation, and you'll wish there were inexpensive magical products out there that work as a substitute.

At this point, I'd say you're at Stage 7 on my (in)famous Stages of Soundproofing Enlightenment. :roll:

I'm here to tell you that it is difficult, but not impossible, and you'll find a lot of support here for your specific how-to questions after you've done your homework. :)

--Keith :mrgreen:

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:52 am
by MSR74
Boy...Stage 7...my legs are gonna really start hurting when I get toward the top of the ladder. Thanks for the info. I'll keep up the research.

Mickey

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:05 pm
by sharward
You're quite welcome, Mickey. It's always a pleasure catching someone before they throw their hard earned money towards fake solutions! 8)

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:30 am
by AVare
Nice summary Keith!