Hi there "Skol303". Please read the
forum rules for posting (click here). You seem to be missing a couple of things!
This is my first post here. I normally frequent Gearslutz and am familiar with some of you from that particular forum (notable hellos to DanDan and Jason Foi, amongst others).
Yup! I've seen you over there. Nice to have you over here too!
And congrats on completing your room!
...and as a final step I'd like to solicit some objective opinion on how "good" the end results really area (especially as I've been very close to this project for about a year and it's become difficult to judge it without my own bias).
Smart move! It's easy to get too close to the room, and loose objectivity.
I'm aware that this community has a different membership to other forums, so I thought it would be a good place to glean some new perspectives and insights
Very true! To start with, there are no vested interested here: No adds, no hidden agendas, no product promotions, nobody trying to sell you anything, or promote their own pet solution that has no basis in anything but pixie dust (or money...) ...
John strictly forbids all types of advertising here, the forum is supported by donations alone, so the only time you'll see any products or services recommended here, is because they really do work, and have been proven to do so. Not because the forum or anybody associated with it gets a kickback or royalties or other "benefits" going under the table. Folks here help out because they WANT to help out. Most are giving back to the community, after getting lots of help in designing and/or building their own places.
Plus, everything you see here is based on only two things: 1) Solid, sound, proven acoustic science (no fantasies, moonbeam dreams, or wild speculation). 2) A proven track record in real studio builds, real people, who are real happy, going back decades. John has been designing and building studios longer than some folks on GS have been alive! So I kinda think he knows what he's doing....
As demonstrated by the numerous fantastic studios you see here, both the ones the John designed for customers (click the link at the top right corner of this page), and also the ones he has offered his free advice on, for numerous forum members. There's nobody better in the business, in my opinion, and John is a pretty humble guy, actually (even though he has totally earned the right to be arrogant, proud, boastful, and stuck-up, if he wanted to be: but he doesn't).
OK, so that's where the plug for the forum ends!
Let's get on to your place...:
Room dimensions: 5.35 x 2.17 x 2.35m (L/W/H)
That's a long, thin room! An acoustic challenge, for sure. As you already discovered!
So here are the details. The general questions being:
1) Would you be happy with this room?
2) Are there any issues that stand out as needing further attention?
Well, it seems like you are asking for "brutal honesty", and I'm sort of known for that around here (
), so please don't take offense at anything I say... it's meant to be constructive, not destructive. You asked for an honest comments, so I'll do my best to "tell it like it is", calling it the way I see it.
First, the room is too dry. The overall decay time (often incorrectly called "RT-60"), is around 100 ms across most of the spectrum. For that size room, I would suggest something more like 200 ms. There's too much absorption, not enough reflection/diffusion. That is clear from the RT60 plot:
Skol303--REW--RT--40-12k--R.png
That's taken directly from your MDAT file, for the right speaker. The left is similar, but combined as LR they look at lot better... fictitiously....
What does that mean, subjectively? It probably sounds nice in there initially, but I would think it is a bit fatiguing to be in there for long sessions, since it is unnaturally dead. Similar to the problems with the original LEDE designs of yore, and some more contemporary designs to a lesser extent (Eg, NER). They sound good at first impression, but are mentally tiring to work in for long periods. That would be my best guess.
What can you do about it? Open up some of your pure absorption devices, and put reflective surfaces inside, to return some of the energy to the room again, instead of just sucking it up and converting it into heat. Eg. thick plastic strips across the front faces. But do it selectively, so that you address the right frequencies. Another option might be non-numeric based diffusers, such as untuned broad slats, or poly-cylindrical diffusers, placed in front of your absorbers. There are options. You could recover some of that "liveness" that is lacking at present.
Second: your low end is looking good: you have bass trapping under control nicely. Well done! But it is probably the very bass trapping that is also sucking out the mids and highs, and at least some of it would need the above solutions.
Third: you are obviously using some type of digital tuning (often incorrectly called "room correction"), either in hardware or software, but you are chasing the wrong goals.
Yes, you have almost ruler flat Frequency Response (FR), which looks impressive to the untrained eye, but you have made the mistake of assuming that flat FR is the most important aspect of acoustic response: it isn't. That's a very common mistake, though, so don't feel too bad. Lots of people want their FR to be flat, thinking that it shows the room is performing perfectly. It doesn't. FR is important, but not the biggest issue. Time-domain response is the biggest issue. And you have gone after the less-important at he expense of the more-important:
Skol303--REW--WF--20-1k--R.png
Skol303--REW--IR--180ms--R.png
The top one is your waterfall plot for the right speaker, and there is clearly some ringing going on there, at 104, 148, 166, 205 and a few other places. I'm pretty sure those are filters where you are boosting some frequencies too much, into instability. Technically, you have either a pole or a zero outside the unit circle. Non-technically: it sounds like crap!
That needs fixing. This is one of the reasons why I don't recommend digital tuning until people fully understand all the issues.
The second graph above is your Impulse Response graph, and shows the other issue you should be shooting for: smooth decay. As you can see, the Schroeder integral (black line) is not smooth: it wobbles up and down, indicating that the sound is not decaying evenly over time: it decays faster, then slower, then faster, then slower.... The goal is to have it decay smoothly, such the Schroeder integral is a straight line (ideally), or at least a smooth curve.
So based on that, I'd say that you have the impression that the room is not right in the bass: it seems a bit "off". Not as tight as you expected, but something subtle that you can't really put your finger on... it just seems slightly strange...
Here's some graphs from a room I'm working on right now, for one of my clients in California. We are in the final stages of tuning that room, nearly finished, but here's where we are right now. That room is a little larger than yours, but not by much. They are both small rooms, far below the recommended minimum size. Your room floor area is 11m2 floor area, this room is 13.3m2. Your room volume is 26m3, this one is 39m3. Even worse, this room is square! At least yours isn't.
Below, I'm showing the same three graphs as I did above, also using only the right speaker, to get the comparison as fair as possible:
Decay times (full spectrum):
FRANK--REW--RT--40-12k--R.png
Waterfall plot (low end):
FRANK--REW--WF--12-500--R.png
Impulse response:
FRANK--REW--IR--180ms--R.png
As you can see, the frequency response is slightly less smooth than for your place, but still pretty darn flat, and I am very happy with it, because of the other two graphs: you can see that there is no ringing going on, and the decay is very smooth, the overall RT-60 time is around 200 ms, and the Schroeder integral is smooth, and very close to being a straight line. The room is smooth, even, flat, solid, and tight. All the way down to about 14 Hz. (Yes, really: 14Hz. Check the scale on this graphs).
So, hopefully that is helpful!
It would be good if you were to post another set of REW tests, with the "room correction" turned off, so we can see just how the room itself is doing.
- Stuart -