Feedback on new build multi purpose studio design in UK
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:27 am
Hello. I'm in the final stages of designing a studio at the bottom of my garden, I had originally intended to buy a large wooden shed, line the walls with some 'magic soundproofing materials' and have the job done over a weekend for around £2000. I then discovered this forum and realised I had a lot to learn! 6 months later I'm now going with concrete walls and roof, and had to increase my budget ten fold. Thanks a lot!
I have planning permission, the next step is to pass it over to a structural engineer to do calculations and drawings, but before I do I was hoping to get some feedback on my designs to make sure I haven't made any silly mistakes from a sound isolation or acoustic point of view. I haven't figured out every last detail yet, but before I do it would be good to check some of the basics.
Purpose
The studio is just for my own use, and needs to be a multi purpose room. The primary purpose is as a pleasant environment for composing as well as playing and recording piano and violin. The secondary purpose is as a control room for mixing. I appreciate that I will need to make some compromises as it can't really be a great live room and control room, but where those need to be made I would favour the live side of things. (I need enough floor space to be able to squeeze in a small drum kit and double bass now and then for a rehearsal so I don't want to split the space in to more than one room).
Budget
Around £20,000 (25,000 USD)
Location
I'm in the UK, the studio is at the bottom of my garden, around 25m from the nearest house.
Dimensions The image above shows the dimensions. The shape is a bit odd, but it maximises the full space available at the end of my garden, the height (3m) is the maximum I was allowed by the planning office, I was hoping for a bit more but hopefully it will be ok (will be around 2.6m acoustic height internally). I struggled to work out if the proportions would be good as all of the room calculators I've found assume you have a rectangular room. I'm hoping the one angled wall will act in my favour in terms of room modes?
Isolation requirements
The maximum noise allowed in the UK is 34dba.
If I say a typical level for piano and light drums might be around 100dba, I'm going to base my calculations on 110dba to allow for the odd evening when things get a bit carried away. (I'd rather have too much isolation!)
The nearest house is 25m away, so that should provide 28db reduction.
So I calculate that the reduction required by the building is 110 - 34 - 28 = 48db.
From what I've read I believe 48db reduction should be achievable with the materials / design I've chosen.
Base
Concrete
Outer leaf
The outer walls will be concrete blocks, the roof concrete beam and block.
100mm gap between outer and inner leaf filled with insulation.
Inner leaf
Timber frame -> 16mm OSB -> green glue -> 16mm plasterboard (drywall). Sitting on the same concrete base as outer leaf
Ceiling
Inside out design: 16mm plasterboard -> green glue -> 16mm OSB -> 150mm insulation -> fabric. Built in 2.4m x 0.6m modules.
Floor
Wooden
Window
One non-opening single glazed window in each leaf. 12mm acoustic laminated glass.
Door
Solid fire door in each leaf, with a door closer
HVAC
I haven't figured out exact specs yet, but I have planned for a mini split for AC, and an inlet and outlet vent for fresh air with a fan on the exhaust and a passive inlet. The silencer box for the inlet is in the bottom of the bass trap (between the inner leaf and the outer leaf), the silencer for the outlet is on the outside of the building as I didn't think there would be room between the leaves on the other side of the room. I did consider putting the outlet in the other bass trap but wasn't sure if that would really encourage much airflow as they would both be at the same end of the room.
Monitor positioning
I believe that flush mounted is the way to go, I've had to put them at 75 degrees instead of 60 otherwise the mixing position was too far back in the room. I'm going to have a sub on the floor somewhere so monitors won't have to reproduce too much bass. I need to do a bit more research on the exact flush mounting assembly, but think I have a basic idea.
Storage
I've created a small storage area, with a light weight sliding door to avoid creating a 3rd leaf.
Specific questions
I guess the main thing is I'd appreciate any feedback on the overall design, a general sense check on things that I might not have considered.
Is there any way of estimating if the room proportions are going to be reasonable given the angled wall?
Is it OK to have monitors at 75 degrees instead of 60?
Could I put the outlet vent in the other bass trap in the other corner? I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be changing the air at the other end of the room if I did that. But the silencer box stuck on the outside of the building seems a bit of a bodge.
Should I go for 10mm glass in one of the windows and 12mm on the other? I'm not sure whether the isolation would improve because of the different resonant frequencies or be less because of the reduction in mass of one of the panes?
I've attached a few more images below in case they're useful, I've also uploaded the Sketchup file here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13yCZ5m ... sp=sharing
Any feedback at all would be greatly appreciated,
Simon
I have planning permission, the next step is to pass it over to a structural engineer to do calculations and drawings, but before I do I was hoping to get some feedback on my designs to make sure I haven't made any silly mistakes from a sound isolation or acoustic point of view. I haven't figured out every last detail yet, but before I do it would be good to check some of the basics.
Purpose
The studio is just for my own use, and needs to be a multi purpose room. The primary purpose is as a pleasant environment for composing as well as playing and recording piano and violin. The secondary purpose is as a control room for mixing. I appreciate that I will need to make some compromises as it can't really be a great live room and control room, but where those need to be made I would favour the live side of things. (I need enough floor space to be able to squeeze in a small drum kit and double bass now and then for a rehearsal so I don't want to split the space in to more than one room).
Budget
Around £20,000 (25,000 USD)
Location
I'm in the UK, the studio is at the bottom of my garden, around 25m from the nearest house.
Dimensions The image above shows the dimensions. The shape is a bit odd, but it maximises the full space available at the end of my garden, the height (3m) is the maximum I was allowed by the planning office, I was hoping for a bit more but hopefully it will be ok (will be around 2.6m acoustic height internally). I struggled to work out if the proportions would be good as all of the room calculators I've found assume you have a rectangular room. I'm hoping the one angled wall will act in my favour in terms of room modes?
Isolation requirements
The maximum noise allowed in the UK is 34dba.
If I say a typical level for piano and light drums might be around 100dba, I'm going to base my calculations on 110dba to allow for the odd evening when things get a bit carried away. (I'd rather have too much isolation!)
The nearest house is 25m away, so that should provide 28db reduction.
So I calculate that the reduction required by the building is 110 - 34 - 28 = 48db.
From what I've read I believe 48db reduction should be achievable with the materials / design I've chosen.
Base
Concrete
Outer leaf
The outer walls will be concrete blocks, the roof concrete beam and block.
100mm gap between outer and inner leaf filled with insulation.
Inner leaf
Timber frame -> 16mm OSB -> green glue -> 16mm plasterboard (drywall). Sitting on the same concrete base as outer leaf
Ceiling
Inside out design: 16mm plasterboard -> green glue -> 16mm OSB -> 150mm insulation -> fabric. Built in 2.4m x 0.6m modules.
Floor
Wooden
Window
One non-opening single glazed window in each leaf. 12mm acoustic laminated glass.
Door
Solid fire door in each leaf, with a door closer
HVAC
I haven't figured out exact specs yet, but I have planned for a mini split for AC, and an inlet and outlet vent for fresh air with a fan on the exhaust and a passive inlet. The silencer box for the inlet is in the bottom of the bass trap (between the inner leaf and the outer leaf), the silencer for the outlet is on the outside of the building as I didn't think there would be room between the leaves on the other side of the room. I did consider putting the outlet in the other bass trap but wasn't sure if that would really encourage much airflow as they would both be at the same end of the room.
Monitor positioning
I believe that flush mounted is the way to go, I've had to put them at 75 degrees instead of 60 otherwise the mixing position was too far back in the room. I'm going to have a sub on the floor somewhere so monitors won't have to reproduce too much bass. I need to do a bit more research on the exact flush mounting assembly, but think I have a basic idea.
Storage
I've created a small storage area, with a light weight sliding door to avoid creating a 3rd leaf.
Specific questions
I guess the main thing is I'd appreciate any feedback on the overall design, a general sense check on things that I might not have considered.
Is there any way of estimating if the room proportions are going to be reasonable given the angled wall?
Is it OK to have monitors at 75 degrees instead of 60?
Could I put the outlet vent in the other bass trap in the other corner? I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be changing the air at the other end of the room if I did that. But the silencer box stuck on the outside of the building seems a bit of a bodge.
Should I go for 10mm glass in one of the windows and 12mm on the other? I'm not sure whether the isolation would improve because of the different resonant frequencies or be less because of the reduction in mass of one of the panes?
I've attached a few more images below in case they're useful, I've also uploaded the Sketchup file here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13yCZ5m ... sp=sharing
Any feedback at all would be greatly appreciated,
Simon