Improving Live Room Acoustics For Drum Recordings
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:37 am
Hello everybody, name’s André and I’m new to the forum. I’m located in Germany and have a small recording studio inside and old abandoned military complex building. Currently, I am aiming to improve the quality of my drum recordings and therefor, improve the acoustic properties of my live room since I can’t help but feel that it’s not yet at its optimum in terms of benefitting the overall drum sound.
The room
First of all, some data about the room:
Height 3,10m
Length 5,50m
Width 6,10m
It has a suspended ceiling with acoustic tiles made from mineral fibre (it’s like compressed rockwool). The tiles are 2cm thick, and about 20cm into the room. So the perceived height of the room is 2,90m. I didn’t install that ceiling, it was already there when I moved in.
It has a laminate floor on top of the original brick floor.
South, east and west walls are painted concrete, very thick concrete. East wall features two windows (1,25 x 2,00m each), west wall the door into the hallway, south wall is blank. The north wall is a double leaf plasterboard and separates the control from the live room. Note that it was originally only one room and I had the plasterboard wall installed when I moved in.
Current treatment
There are thin but dense curtains (feels a bit like microfiber) covering both windows and the wall in between them from top to bottom. The ones covering the windows are movable and I would usually open them for drum recordings. The other three walls have a couple of auralex minifusors stuffed with rockwool spread over them. Also, there are a couple of Auralex T-Fusors spread around the center of the suspended ceiling, also stuffed with rockwool.
There are two Hofa baby bass traps in both south wall corners, on which each an EQ Acoustics Spectrum Trap 50 and 50L are positioned, resting against the corner (leftovers from my vocal booth treatment). In the north/east corner one baby and two full stacked Hofa bass traps are positioned, in the other north corner my vocal booth is usually positioned when recording drums or not being needed otherwise. (It’s an old 1x1m wooden indoor phone booth modified with lots of broadband absorbers)
The gap between the suspended ceiling and actual ceiling is completely stuffed with rockwool.
The sound
The linear RT is at about 0.35s. It’s quite persistent across the audible spectrum, only below 50 Hz there are still a few bumps (about 0.7s). Schroeder frequency thus is at about 100 Hz.
Now, from a measurement point of view the room actually is quite good already, so what am I looking for? When mixing my drum recordings, I feel like I still have to rely on the direct microphones too much since the overhead and room signals still feel a bit too muddy in the fundamental area, and a bit too washy in the higher frequencies, and though being a bit washy, could still be somewhat brighter. So, it is kinda hard to get an organic drum sound right out of the box. Also, that’s kind of what you perceive when you play drums in there. A bit muddy, a bit washy, and a bit too dark sounding.
As a comparison, my control room theoretically has an only slightly shorter RT (0.3s), but it still feels a lot drier and much more direct in there. (Of course there’s also a lot more stuff standing around, like a couch in one corner, a big cabinet in the other, etc…) Usually I would tune the drums in there since it’s easier to hear the details. Also, there the fundamentals would feel more like “into your guts”.
You could say, at the moment my live room sounds quite broad in the low frequencies and gets more narrow with increasing frequency, whereas I’d like it to sound tight/narrow/compact in the low frequency area, getting broader/wider/livelier as you go up in the frequency range.
Apart from that, I would generally like to improve the live room as much as possible in terms of perceived size, or make it sound as large as possible with what space I actually have available.
Solutions(?)
Now, with these perceived problems in mind, I came up with a few ideas:
1. Bass trapping / LF absorption.
Even though the RT for lower frequencies in my live room is (according to measures) far from being out of control, I suppose there is still some treatment necessary in order to get it sounding more tight and punchy in the fundamental area. However the question remains, when treating the LF area, will I have to focus on that RT bulge below 50 Hz or more generally anything below 100 or 200 Hz? And does it make any sense at all?
2. Diffusion.
It’s said to have the virtue of making rooms sound bigger than they are. Since that’s something I’m generally trying to accomplish, I’d suppose the more diffusion the better? However – given the already short RT of my live room – I’m unsure wether diffusion will actually be able to accomplish anything at all beyond a certain level, since I’m practically only dealing with a couple of early reflections here.
3. Increasing the RT for higher frequencies.
In case that’s possible at all. Since my ceiling is completely covered in absorbent material (rockwool, acoustic tiles) I thought there might be some potential to re-add some more reflective properties to it, without losing any of the LF absorbent abilities. There are a couple of T-Fusors on it already, but they cover no more than 10-15% of the overall area of the ceiling. And to be honest, I’m a little skeptical about their overall reflective abilities.
So, the question here is, with the ceiling as it is, is it possible at all to make it more reflective to any frequency above, let’s say 500 Hz and still have it dampen everything below (as good as it possibly can)? For instance, like covering it with a thin layer of plywood or a thicker layer of painted Styrofoam?
I hope you guys can help me in sorting out those issues. I’ve done a lot of research in the past few days (and generally whenever I had some spare time in the past few years), still I’m absolutely no expert in room acoustics. So, before I go out wasting a shitload of money on futile measures, I’d really appreciate some qualified counsel in this matter. Either by elaborating on those ideas I came up with, or – in case they are nonsense or simply past the perceived problems – helping in finding other solutions and/or the real culprits. Maybe I'm even only chasing ghosts and am so worked up about it by now that I'm simply imagining things. In that case, feel free to knock me back to my senses...
In case any more data or information is needed, just let me know. I’ll gladly provide them asap.
In case this post is in any way not conforming the rules and guidelines, I’d also appreciate to know. It’s a really long post, so please bear with me if anything slipped past me. Also, I wasn’t sure wether this topic fits more into the “acoustic” or “studio design” board. Feel free to move it if necessary.
Last but not least, find attached some pictures of the room. For the audio measurements, this dropbox link will have to do, since it won't let me upload the mdat file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ueewh02v5eesc ... .mdat?dl=0
Let me already say thank you for the help I am hopefully going to receive from you people. I am truly grateful for anything that's gonna help me progress in any way!
The room
First of all, some data about the room:
Height 3,10m
Length 5,50m
Width 6,10m
It has a suspended ceiling with acoustic tiles made from mineral fibre (it’s like compressed rockwool). The tiles are 2cm thick, and about 20cm into the room. So the perceived height of the room is 2,90m. I didn’t install that ceiling, it was already there when I moved in.
It has a laminate floor on top of the original brick floor.
South, east and west walls are painted concrete, very thick concrete. East wall features two windows (1,25 x 2,00m each), west wall the door into the hallway, south wall is blank. The north wall is a double leaf plasterboard and separates the control from the live room. Note that it was originally only one room and I had the plasterboard wall installed when I moved in.
Current treatment
There are thin but dense curtains (feels a bit like microfiber) covering both windows and the wall in between them from top to bottom. The ones covering the windows are movable and I would usually open them for drum recordings. The other three walls have a couple of auralex minifusors stuffed with rockwool spread over them. Also, there are a couple of Auralex T-Fusors spread around the center of the suspended ceiling, also stuffed with rockwool.
There are two Hofa baby bass traps in both south wall corners, on which each an EQ Acoustics Spectrum Trap 50 and 50L are positioned, resting against the corner (leftovers from my vocal booth treatment). In the north/east corner one baby and two full stacked Hofa bass traps are positioned, in the other north corner my vocal booth is usually positioned when recording drums or not being needed otherwise. (It’s an old 1x1m wooden indoor phone booth modified with lots of broadband absorbers)
The gap between the suspended ceiling and actual ceiling is completely stuffed with rockwool.
The sound
The linear RT is at about 0.35s. It’s quite persistent across the audible spectrum, only below 50 Hz there are still a few bumps (about 0.7s). Schroeder frequency thus is at about 100 Hz.
Now, from a measurement point of view the room actually is quite good already, so what am I looking for? When mixing my drum recordings, I feel like I still have to rely on the direct microphones too much since the overhead and room signals still feel a bit too muddy in the fundamental area, and a bit too washy in the higher frequencies, and though being a bit washy, could still be somewhat brighter. So, it is kinda hard to get an organic drum sound right out of the box. Also, that’s kind of what you perceive when you play drums in there. A bit muddy, a bit washy, and a bit too dark sounding.
As a comparison, my control room theoretically has an only slightly shorter RT (0.3s), but it still feels a lot drier and much more direct in there. (Of course there’s also a lot more stuff standing around, like a couch in one corner, a big cabinet in the other, etc…) Usually I would tune the drums in there since it’s easier to hear the details. Also, there the fundamentals would feel more like “into your guts”.
You could say, at the moment my live room sounds quite broad in the low frequencies and gets more narrow with increasing frequency, whereas I’d like it to sound tight/narrow/compact in the low frequency area, getting broader/wider/livelier as you go up in the frequency range.
Apart from that, I would generally like to improve the live room as much as possible in terms of perceived size, or make it sound as large as possible with what space I actually have available.
Solutions(?)
Now, with these perceived problems in mind, I came up with a few ideas:
1. Bass trapping / LF absorption.
Even though the RT for lower frequencies in my live room is (according to measures) far from being out of control, I suppose there is still some treatment necessary in order to get it sounding more tight and punchy in the fundamental area. However the question remains, when treating the LF area, will I have to focus on that RT bulge below 50 Hz or more generally anything below 100 or 200 Hz? And does it make any sense at all?
2. Diffusion.
It’s said to have the virtue of making rooms sound bigger than they are. Since that’s something I’m generally trying to accomplish, I’d suppose the more diffusion the better? However – given the already short RT of my live room – I’m unsure wether diffusion will actually be able to accomplish anything at all beyond a certain level, since I’m practically only dealing with a couple of early reflections here.
3. Increasing the RT for higher frequencies.
In case that’s possible at all. Since my ceiling is completely covered in absorbent material (rockwool, acoustic tiles) I thought there might be some potential to re-add some more reflective properties to it, without losing any of the LF absorbent abilities. There are a couple of T-Fusors on it already, but they cover no more than 10-15% of the overall area of the ceiling. And to be honest, I’m a little skeptical about their overall reflective abilities.
So, the question here is, with the ceiling as it is, is it possible at all to make it more reflective to any frequency above, let’s say 500 Hz and still have it dampen everything below (as good as it possibly can)? For instance, like covering it with a thin layer of plywood or a thicker layer of painted Styrofoam?
I hope you guys can help me in sorting out those issues. I’ve done a lot of research in the past few days (and generally whenever I had some spare time in the past few years), still I’m absolutely no expert in room acoustics. So, before I go out wasting a shitload of money on futile measures, I’d really appreciate some qualified counsel in this matter. Either by elaborating on those ideas I came up with, or – in case they are nonsense or simply past the perceived problems – helping in finding other solutions and/or the real culprits. Maybe I'm even only chasing ghosts and am so worked up about it by now that I'm simply imagining things. In that case, feel free to knock me back to my senses...
In case any more data or information is needed, just let me know. I’ll gladly provide them asap.
In case this post is in any way not conforming the rules and guidelines, I’d also appreciate to know. It’s a really long post, so please bear with me if anything slipped past me. Also, I wasn’t sure wether this topic fits more into the “acoustic” or “studio design” board. Feel free to move it if necessary.
Last but not least, find attached some pictures of the room. For the audio measurements, this dropbox link will have to do, since it won't let me upload the mdat file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ueewh02v5eesc ... .mdat?dl=0
Let me already say thank you for the help I am hopefully going to receive from you people. I am truly grateful for anything that's gonna help me progress in any way!