John Sayers' Recording Studio Design Forum Archive

Congratulations, Marc, on your passing inspection!

Now, proceed with caution as you, uh, "fly under the radar" -- be careful!

(You always are...)

--Keith

Hey Marc! What's going on? We haven't seen you here in a month! Everything OK, my Floridian friend?

--Keith

Eh Keith,

Yup every thing's OK and no studio progress to report, have not done anything except a little research since my last post. The next task is still to caulk the screen aluminum and concrete joints.

I just have stuff to take care of, & "Shameless Self Promotion" is the number one task at hand... need more gigs.

Got to publicly thank BassRocks (Andy) on the forum. He used my website content for a high school state competition of building websites. The results were OK but they really did not have enough time to do a great job. None the less got to thank Andy for the opportunity as it could have saved me a lot of work not only in building a new website but also in relearning the software involved.

And I uploaded a new avatar

Marc

PROGRESS,

I finally got out and did some more work on my room. Seems like every 6 months or so I have to break from even thinking about working on it for a month.

I took down the drywall off my studio/family room wall which I had put up for final inspection. I removed the insulation from that wall, peeled the paper off and installed it plus the rest of the package of insulation into my new exterior walls.

Now I am prepping to beef up the studio/family room wall in between the studs. I'm very happy I already have the drywall, screws, nails, backer rod, caulk Green Glue and furring strip for cleats to do this job because...

I've spent twice already what I estimated. My intention was to get this room done before my 2nd child was born and wife took a break from working so that I could more easily step up my income. Working on the room, in part, steered my attention away from getting gigs. Right now I'm getting by with very little extra money to "spend on me" each month. I'm not whining, just want my "toy money" back.

Another thing which recently changed is my son's health, he's got a minor heart condition (small VSD and a small sub-aortic membrane) and we have to go back to the heart doc on 6 months. Right now he shows no negative effects at all, he's perfectly OK. His condition may go away all by itself, but it may not. My wife now has to go back to work so that we have full HMO health coverage, but that won't kick in till Jan 1, 08. You can imagine how I feel about spending money on me right now. Worse case scenario I would sell my house for my son BUT it's very unlikely it would come to that.

Anyways I've been picking up on my gig hunting and shameless self promotion activities, more gigs are coming in and I even got interest from a major attraction at an Orlando Theme park. I don't dare name the venue as it would be bad luck, but I ask you all to silently rout for me.

I'll take some pics of the beef up.

Question, Am I correct with this:
I'm installing drywall in between the studs. There is 1/4" wood panel board on the other finished side. I'm planning on using finishing nails the secure the 1st layer of drywall in between the studs (nailing at an angle into the studs not the 1/4" panel board or even the drywall). I'll use some green glue on that 1st layer, just enough to fill in slightly uneven spots. 2nd layer of drywall will get 50% green glue coverage and will be secured via 1" drywall screws and then cleats , very carefully so that I can backer rod and caulk everything.

Marc

Hey Mark,

Wow... Too many emotions to express: congratulations (on the progress), condolences (about your son's "hopefully not a big deal" health issue, and best of luck to you (on the theme park gig potential).

The only thing about your beef-up plan that has me scratching my head is the remark about Green Glue in the uneven areas... ...Surely you don't intend to use Green Glue as filler -- right? Perhaps you could clarify your intentions there.

I really like the Rod's "finishing nails into the studs" idea. I definitely would have done that had his book come out a year or two earlier!

--Keith

Hi Marc,

I don't know what a sub-aortic membrane is, but my first son also had a small hole in his heart, and we did the "go back in six months" thing, and happily it was gone ... i think this is a pretty common thing so try not to get too worried?

My second son's ultrasound came back showing he had a small empty space in his brain, that was a lot of fun too ... that also went away ...

Isn't having kids fun? luckily once they get older you can stop worrying about them --er-- right?

I think I must be unusually morbid, but I don't think a day goes by without me worrying about something bad happening to one of them. I guess that comes with the territory of "having" something you love so much.

Good luck and congrats on the studio progress!

Dan

I always understood the finishing nails trick to be a temporary hold before using drywall screws to hold THAT layer. I don't understand how you can put a second layer of drywall up with the finishing nails in place ... i would at least put a few screws in that layer and then take out the nails before proceeding. well then you wouldn't even need the nails would you, if you were screwing the first layer.

and then a nitpicky point, 1" drywall screws won't go thru 2 layers of drywall will it? i guess you're worried about going all the way thru the 1/4 board. tricky problem. a 1/4 inch board won't hold much unless you fully penetrate it i'm guessing.

maybe i'm not getting it, but i wonder if you need to add an osb layer with cleats to hold it, then add your drywall ... ? but hard to say from this vantage point

Dan Fitzpatrick wrote:I always understood the finishing nails trick to be a temporary hold before using drywall screws to hold THAT layer. I don't understand how you can put a second layer of drywall up with the finishing nails in place ...

Dan,

4d finish nails will just bend and roll into the drywall itself - works real well.......

Rod

...and then the cleats do the job of final holding power.

Yeah, totally superior to what I did.

Darn you Rod for not publishing your book two years before!

--Keith

Hmmm???...About those finishing nails...

I was planning on gluing the edges of my 1st layer of drywall & lay it against my outside wall sheathing. I was going to use a few screws on the edges to secure it to the sheathing (ONLY enough screws to hold it in place). The second layer of drywall would be done the same as the first except I was going to screw through the 2nd layer of drywall into the 1st layer of drywall on the edges only (NOT going into the sheathing). I was then going to add cleats in the stud cavity corner pressed against the drywall and nailed into the stud. The cleats were going to be the primary source of "holding" the drywall. (Of course caulking will be done on each drywall layer)

Are you saying all that's needed is to nail the drywall to the studs with the nails at an angle going into the stud?

Thanx

camistan wrote: Are you saying all that's needed is to nail the drywall to the studs with the nails at an angle going into the stud?

Yup.......... that pretty much sums it up..........

Rod

No "cleats" then?

sharward wrote:No "cleats" then?

Keith......
NO - I didn't say that.........

you definately need cleats - it's just that the 4d finish nails are perfect for setting everything up, right through (and including) the caulking process

That's why there are cleats in the figures in the book - they are required.

Rod

OK, cool. I don't have your book here at work... ...And I also wanted to clarify for others who may not (yet) have your book.

--Keith

Hey guys,

No progress.

I am planning to respond to above comments but I've been pleasantly distracted and busy. Everything is fine.

Marc