benirose- using two 2" sheets of "unfaced" 703 is the same as one 4" sheet. That's what I did.

Actually, that isn't true at all! The bass is not "trapped" by anything: the fibers in the absorptive material simply convert air particle motion to heat, thus taking acoustic energy out of the wave as it passes. The reason you space the material away from the wall is to put it in the zone of the wave where velocity is higher and pressure lower. At the wall/air boundary itself, the velocity component is zero and the pressure component is maximum, which is why panels and membranes work at the wall boundaries but absorption does not. Of course, this assumes normal incidence of the wave: if it isn't coming in normal to the wall (and most waves do not) then it might indeed have some non-zero velocity component very close to the wall. But you will still get greater efficiency and coverage down to longer wavelengths by placing the absorption away from the wall. It has nothing at all do with "trapping" the wave in the space behind the absorption.Remember: it's the empty space that traps the bass
The fiberglass only slows the bass waves down so they can be trapped in the empty space behind it.
That isn't true either. If you seal the back of a bass trap that is spaced away from the wall, you will REDUCE its ability to absorb bass frequencies, not increase it, because you will have defeated the entire purpose of spacing it away from the wall!But unless your wool is inside an AIR TIGHT FRAME (with front and back covered
with 1/4" thick wood), everything below 150Hz is bouncing right back out
of the absorbers in these photos.
No you should not! (Unless you want to destroy their bass-trapping capabilities).you should take two or three of your absorbers and seal their fronts and backs,
I reckon most sound engineers would consider that more "low mids" than "high bass"! In any event, exposing or not exposing the sides of your absorption has absolutely no effect on the frequencies that it will absorb. Exposing the sides might increase the coefficient of absorption for certain frequencies, but that's an entirely different thing.if the sides of the wool ARE exposed, you're absorbing about 200Hz-400Hz,
which is HighBass,
Which, of course, is exactly what you want to happen, if you want the bass trap to actually work!But unless your wool is inside an AIR TIGHT FRAME (with front and back covered
with 1/4" thick wood), everything below 150Hz is bouncing right back out
of the absorber
Maybe you didn't notice that you were first talking about absorbent bass traps, made with fiberglass, and now you suddenly switched to talking about panel traps! Two entirely different concepts. Two entirely different principles of operation. A panel trap works on the principle of sympathetic resonance, MUST be sealed and should NOT be spaced away from the wall. An absorbent bass trap works on the principle of gas flow resistance must NOT be sealed and SHOULD be spaced away from the wall."...There are a few reasons for sealing panel traps.
Ethan is actually a regular poster here, and will most likely read this. Maybe he can explain to you the difference between panel traps and absorbent bass traps, how to use them, and where to place them in the room.One of the room-analyzing softwares I saw mentioned at the forums you're in right now was actually developed by this man.
Exposed fiberglass isnt trapping bass.
... and lows.Maybe he could also tell you that a fiberglass panel covered with fabric is absorbing MIDS and HIGHS.
Stu, I 100% am not trying to offend you (all).Soundman2020 wrote:Please let us all know when you get past the first few chapters of MHoA. Pay special attention to the discussion on absorption ...
- Stuart -
They only trouble is that you did not understand what your reliable source was trying to tell you, and nor did you understand the devices described here. Out of ignorance you confused the two, and then carried on insisting, over several posts, that you were right and everyone else was wrong, even though I already explained it to you.I came in here to learn and when I saw pictures of everybody
building the same exact thing, it conflicted with something else
I learned from a very reliable source.
No he does not. Ethan sells both absorption based devices and panel traps (among other things). I'm pretty sure he knows the difference, and understands how they both work!Not Winer (though Winer agrees).
It's a pity you didn't ask him about absorption-based treatment. Maybe you should go visit him again, and ask him what he thinks about superchunks, and what principle they operate on...He even elaborared on a few principles I was doubting as far as sealed membranes.
They very likely do! But if you want the correct answers from them, you have to ask the correct questions, and you have to have the basic understanding to grasp what they are ACTUALLY telling you, not what you THINK they are telling you.But I'm pretty confident the guys I met today had practial working knowledge.