SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Hi all !

Hope all is well !

…Update time… (part-1)

Let's start with a peculiar pic:
45 x 900ml + 38 x 380ml (~ 56 L) of caulk used so far !! :cry: :evil:
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Here is the design for the Control room clouds :
above:
clouds1.jpg
clouds2.jpg
below:
clouds3.jpg
right-hand side:
clouds4.jpg
left-hand side:
clouds5.jpg
clouds6.jpg
clouds7.jpg
…. (end of part 1) ….
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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… (part-2) ….

And here are some pics of the construction phase.

I used 19x100mm planed pine softwood for the structure, and 19x150mm for the strip where the down lights are.
That's the smaller section I could use to make the structure (before installing the 18 plywood backing - not done yet) as light as possible:

Front cloud:
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IMG_1993.jpg
Centre cloud:
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IMG_2002.jpg
Rear clouds
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Then, I attached 15x18mm strips all around the internal perimeter of the cloud frame.
The cloth frames (not done yet) will be nailed to these strips:
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IMG_2015.jpg
IMG_2017.jpg
IMG_2018.jpg
Mounting blocks (80x80 timber, with 150mm x 10mm eye bolts with nuts and washers on both sides):
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…. (end of part 2) ….
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… (part-3) ….

I then used T brackets to place more strips from side to side to help holding the insulation in place, preventing it (I hope) from sagging over time.

Front cloud (back):
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Front cloud (front):
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Centre cloud (back):
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Centre cloud (front):
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Rear clouds (back):
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Rear clouds (front):
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That's all for now.

Happy Easter to you all !!


ciao

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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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…and this is what I was planning to use to attach the cloud to the celing:


1) 50mm x 50mm galvanized Chain Hook on Plate, screwed to the ceiling beams:
Hook on a Plate.jpg
2) 10mm x 100mm S Hook
S Hook.jpg
On the rear of the cloud:
The S Hook will connect the eye bolt on the mounting blocks to the hook on plate on the ceiling beam

On the front of the cloud:
The S Hook will connect the eye bolt on the mounting blocks with a heavy duty chain, in turn connected to the hook on plate on the ceiling beam



Here's a sketch of the plan:
Cloud.jpg
I think that this should be enough… but any comments / suggestions are as always very welcome !! :-)


Ciao

Simo
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Just like to say your work and detailing is fantastic, and if ok when I build the cloud for my small control room
I would like to do something similar possibly if thats ok with you? :D

Your clouds are way better looking than the one I have just built for my tracking room :(
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Thank you for your kind words Roguejackal. Much appreciated !

Of course it's ok ! :thu:
I think that the whole point of keep posting our progress here is exactly that, to learn from each other!
Everything I managed to build so far has mainly been possible thanks to all the info I gathered from this forum…. so it's a pleasure to be able to give my contribution to this process :-)

Your clouds are looking great, as the rest of your build ! I'm learning a lot from you
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Hi Simo, have been watching you build from (not so) afar for a long while with absolute amazement. What an incredibly talented guy you are, and what a studio you will have!

I have however, been stealing your ideas right, left and centre for my smaller scale space... well they say emulation is the finest form of flattery!... so I hope you don't mind :oops: My project design is now up on the forum, so I'm desperately checking my messages every twenty minutes hoping for that elusive first opinion from the gods :wink: I think though, that you qualify for this accolade now by the looks of things! I'm hoping to follow your inspiration and maintain a diary for all to learn from too.

Anyway, I just want to take this opportunity to thank you so much for your diligence in sharing your progress, and in such superbly in such glorious detail: you are definitely one of life's givers, and deserve every success.

Humbly

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Hi Kevin,

what can I say… Thank you so much for your very kind words, it means a lot to me, really ! ...and of course I don't mind at all you getting ideas ! :thu:

I know what you mean about desperately waiting for feedback… but I see Stuart has just noticed your thread…you couldn't find any better help, you are in great hands indeed !!

I wish you best of luck with your build !

Simo
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Hi all

Here is a little idea I've been having for a while now, and wanted to see what you think...
(sorry for jumping from one topic to another, but I'm just trying to make up for all the time I've lost and get on with more than one thing at the same time)

Basically, I wouldn't mind the idea of having skyline diffusers at the rear of the CR. There - I admit it - I quite like the visual interest they add :-)

I know Stuart in particular is never keen in advising their use in small rooms (for good reasons !)… but I have a plan :idea: …. well at least I think I do :oops: … and would be great to have some feedback if possible.

Right - the plot is to extend (on both sides) the frame I built for the air con unit, until it reaches the hangers trap framing
Simo plan_1.jpg
fill the entire cavity with insulation (a la superchunk !)
Simo plan_2.jpg
and then position the skyline diffusers there (with screws or using a french cleat mounting method, in order to be able to remove them if I'll see that their contribution is not beneficial acoustically, thus leaving me with just more straight absorption... which I seem to understand is never a bad think :wink: ).
Simo plan_3.jpg
Simo plan_4.jpg


The info I've collected and put together so far in my various journeys through the forum is that as a general rule:
numeric-based diffusers must be away from your ears a distance at least 3 times (others say 7 times!) the wavelength of the lower frequency they are tuned to.
(not forgetting that diffusers are also effective an octave below the lowest tuned frequency !).
This is to avoid the so called "lobbing" problem, corresponding in an uneven spread of reflected energy (in both space and time).


Now, in my control room the distance between the sitting spot and the frame where I was considering of placing the diffusers is around 2.4m.
Simo Studio section.jpg
So: 2.4m / 7 = 0.343 m => 34.3 cm
This means (always following the theory) that 34.3 cm is the wavelength of the lower frequency the diffuser should be tuned to.
Well, actually that happens to be precisely the wavelength of 1KHz:
from: " V = f λ " where: V(speed of sound (m/sec)), f (frequency (Hz), λ (wavelength)
λ = V / f = 343 / 1000 = 0.343 m => 34.3 cm

If the above is correct, it means (always in theory) that I should be ok by installing up there diffusers tuned @ 1KHz (or perhaps 2KHz to be safe?), without having an uneven spread of reflected energy ???

Anyone? …Stuart, are you there (please destroy me gently :-) ) ?


Thanks

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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Hi guys and gals

sorry to bump my post :oops: …but… any suggestion on the skyline diffuser idea at all?

Thanks in anticipation

Simo
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Re: SIMO Studio - Construction Phase

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Anyone? …Stuart, are you there (please destroy me gently
BAM! Consider yourself destroyed!!! :)

Actually, that looks fine to me, as far s distances are concerned, but I'm not so convinced they would be a lot of use up there. But I reckon it is worth trying!

Have you done the math on your room, to see how much absorption you need, and at what frequencies?

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Thanks Stuart !

I'm not totally convinced myself to be honest :oops: , but I might give it a go and see (with and without them) what Rew / FuzzMeasure will have to say. After that I can decide whether it would be better to mount them somewhere else in the live room instead, perhaps in the reflective face of a gobo.

hem… maths? … not yet :oops: …. lazy? scared of what I will see? …. possibly both!
But I do know I have to do it…so, as soon as I install the doors/windows, I will analyze it.



Congratulation on your 'admin' title :-) !! :thu:
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Congratulation on your 'admin' title
Thanks! :oops: That was a totally unexpected honor that John bestowed on me! I had no idea until he sent me a message saying "check your status". I sure hope I'm up to the task...

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Personally, I think you have been up to the task for years, with your continuous dedication and support towards everyone of us with no exception !! Thanks again for that !
The sure thing is that NO one can deny that, thus I suppose John just decided to make official what was already happening :D !!
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Hai Simo,

Thank you for your marvelous update. The cloudframes look fantastic already, real good work with eye for detail.
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