John Sayers' Recording Studio Design Forum Archive

Thanks for your reply, Glenn

Ok, my desk idea was a bit inspired on this one (that I saw in this forum, shame I can't find the thread anymore): I would put the Tango in the middle section, fader section flush with the desk. The touchscreen is at a 30º angle and 23 cm high.
First question: Would that interfere with my soffit monitors?

My Avantone Mix Cubes would be on stands roughly at both sides of the touchscreen at ear level making sure they don't interfere with the soffit mounted Yamaha HS80m. On one side I would have outboard gear, and on the other side I would have my Otari MX5050 tape machine (I'm kinda old fashioned with some stuff ). I'd probably have some drawers under the desk on both sides and would use the bottom side cavities as cabinets for something like mics. I can't see much more space for anything else here. And I need just a tiny bit more

Basically, what I need to know is:
1-Can I build some shelves to put some books, CDs and stuff and place it i.e. opposite or besides the door, right after one slat wall? If that's not a good idea, I can find somewhere else in the house where to place those.
2-I'd need to fit a guitar amp and cabinet (12x4) that I would probably place somewhere between the right hand slat wall and the rear wall bass trap (near the couch) and some electric guitars hanging around. If this is not a good idea, can I build some kinda absorbent panel or something for mixing, or is there somewhere else to place it? It's cool to have it for overdubs and it's a bit heavy to carry it in and out from tracking to mixing, if you know what I mean....

gullfo wrote:having a desk which angles up a bit to match the mixer and allowing for some rack space around the same angles should be pretty straight forward.

Do you mean something like this, but maybe not that tall?

once you get the room up and running and the desk built. i think the desk you've picture (or something like it) should be OK. take some measurements and see where you're getting any residual reflections. you might have to put some bits of absorption around to finalize things.

in general, after going though all the work, life and something like it take over and "stuff" moves in. as long as when you hang guitars, put in bookshelves, cabinets, etc etc it's not interfering with your work, then its all good. so the amp and guitars might be necessary right away, maybe put up some hooks for the guitars on the walls. cover the amp with a packing blanket when not in use (dust and reflections...) maybe keep the bookshelf in another room unless you need it handy. in which case, go with it.

Thanks your quick reply Glenn,

I'll try to keep it tidy from the start. It's the best way to keep it tidy on the long run
So, the bookshelves will definitely go somewhere else. I'm still hanging onto the trunk behind the coach idea to store cables, guitar pedals and stuff like that. Will a packing blanket be enough or maybe I could build some kinda panel....or maybe it's not worth it?

I'm almost done varnishing!
Pics VERY soon

I hope you can teach me how to measure residual reflections
Cheers
Sono

you can set up REW or FuzzMeasure to capture the necessary data and post it so we can look at the ETC values to see if there is something amiss.

Yeah, I can't wait to get there!!!! I have Fuzzmeasure
Almost done varnishing !!!!
Cheers
sono

I've been looking for this soft-caulk without luck ...
But I've been advised these:
1- Sika Boom-s expanding poliurethane foam
2- Soudal Adhesive Sealant 240FC

Do you reckon they're ok? The second one, when dry is like rubbery...
Cheers
Sono

if it's similar to this http://www.osipro.com/products.pl?id=SC-175 then you should be good.

Thanks for the link mate

Ok, I found something that does not harden upon drying, is 500% elastic and absorbs vibrations and movement. I guess this should be ok.
Is it ok to use this also between the two door frames (inner and outer leaf), to seal between them?

I'm having a go at panels. If distance from panels to walls should be 20-40 cm, should the gaps between panels be the same? There's the gaps between panels following the length of the room and the gaps between the pairs of panels covering the width of the room. I assume my question relates to the first case, as the pairs should work as a single panel, so between pairs, the smaller that gap is, the better, correct?
Cheers
Sono

500% should be OK. if the panels are spaced say 50%-100% of their width you should be in a good place to start being wary of first reflection points and avoiding having the panels line up across opposing flat walls - avoid flutter echoes by stagging the alignment.

Sorry I get lost half way through...

gullfo wrote:if the panels are spaced say 50%-100% of their width

I can build them whatever size I want. Except for the front one, the others are supposedly rectangular and two of these placed side by side would cover the width of the room (roughly 4 meters). If the space between one panel and the wall should be, say 20 cm, I'd have to cover the remaining 3.6 m with two panels. I can build them to any width I wish (you wish, actually ) .
1- what should the gap between panels and wall be ? (20cm?)
2- what should the gap between panels be (in the centre of the ceiling)
3- if the above depend on the width of the panels, what width would you suggest?

gullfo wrote: and avoiding having the panels line up across opposing flat walls - avoid flutter echoes by stagging the alignment.

Do you mean they should be angled like in my last sketchup?

Sorry if I'm being a bit thick...it's been a hard week sanding, varnishing an building the front panel, which btw should be ready to varnish on Monday
Pics again soon
I'm gigging some awful band tonight so I'll keep my mind in the studio....
Cheers
Sono

Make absorbers 600 x 1200mm and space them 400mm between them. I think that works out to 3 per wall. If you place absorbers on the opposite wall, stagger the spacing so reflections off one wall are absorbed on the other...

gullfo wrote:Make absorbers 600 x 1200mm and space them 400mm between them. I think that works out to 3 per wall.

Nope.
That would mean 400 gap (wall-panel) / 1200 (1st panel) / 400 gap (1st panel-2nd panel) / 1200 (2nd panel) / 400 gap (2nd panel-3rdpanel) / 1200 (3rd panel) / 400 gap (3rd panel-wall)

1200x3=3600
400x4=1600
3600+1600=5200

If we do it with 2 panels only:

1200x2=2400
400x3=1200
2400+1200=3600
We still have 400mm to cover

So, shall I increase panel size, i.e.: 1400x2=2800, 400x3=1200, 2800+1200=4000
Or shall I increase gap size, i.e.: 1200x2=2400, 530x3=1590, 2400+1590=3990
Shall I increase gap number with three panels (but reduce gap size to 100mm), i.e.: 1200x3=3600, 100x4=400, 3600+400=4000

....or shall I just blow my head!?

What would you do?

gullfo wrote:If you place absorbers on the opposite wall, stagger the spacing so reflections off one wall are absorbed on the other...

Ok. I don't understand exactly what you mean by opposite wall. At present the room is just like in the last sketchup posted, like so except for the ceiling panels and the reflectant strips on the rear wall. Could you explain again, please? I apologize for the language barrier...
Thanks for your help, mate
Cheers
Sono

i'm assuming the large yellow wall section is where you'll add the absorbers and the wall which is invisible would be the opposing wall... stagger the absorbers so they don't line up exactly between them.

Glenn,
I'm really sorry about this, but I honestly am very confused

So, here's photos of the walls. You can't see the woodwork of the slat walls because these photos were taken before the wood was placed, but the slat walls cover the black areas (cloth).
The rear wall: The left wall (invisible on the previous pic, where the door is) The right wall As you can see they're all covered with reddish cloth. That's the yellow zone on the pic on my previous post.
If I have understood all well, all this is finished. The only parts that still need work are the ceiling and the floor. On the ceiling go the panels, on the floor, some laminate flooring. Am I wrong in assuming this?
I need to know what size I have to build the panels and the spacing between them.

I still don't understand what you're saying about staggering absorbers. What am I missing?
Thanks again for your patience

Cheers
Sono