Re: Homasote Test
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:07 pm
Thank you Steve and great stuff!
Andre
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Hi Steve. I would guess that refers to the amount of damping in the void. I have some Isover test data here which shows maximum benefit with a full fill. It also shows no difference in performance over a very wide range of densities.Just reading in NRC 4068 where Bradley references the "stiffness of the contained air".....definitely pondering that.
Very true! I have no idea why people would not want to fill the cavity entirely. It's just logical, and also supported by research.Many seem to miss the Isover point that a full fill is best, and that even a small airgap in there is unhelpful.
Strange advice indeed...Indeed a so called Professional Consultant here insisted to me that loose batts in there are best, to avoid touching.
In the data that I posted early you can see an overall STC 1 difference between mineral wool and fiberglass.DanDan wrote:Hey DanDan.....We know of course that fibre stuffed in there will cause LF transmission. So for now for me, full fill, lightly touching.
I definitely think that a firm fill with a light touch in a wall cavity is the best way to go. Occasionally someone will ask me about stuffing 6" of fluffy in a 4" cavity and I advise against it, of course, as I believe that those compressed fibers can become a physical transmission path at that point. I do have to wonder, though, if that light touch is enough to damp the resonance of the plane.
no difference in performance over a very wide range of densities.
Incomplete reporting confuses issues. People misconstrue IR-761 data as showing that glass fibre is better. What it does show is that insulation that is 2 to 8 times denser is not as good. See fig 2 on pdf page 17 for insulation densities. We have known for decades that lighter is better for filling cavities.SGleason wrote: In the data that I posted early you can see an overall STC 1 difference between mineral wool and fiberglass.
As you say, I'd like to see the data that shows such an effect!We deal a lot with floor/ceiling assemblies where it may be a different dynamic. It has been suggested that with a 12" cavity half filled with pink fluffy there could be a subtle impedance mismatch that is created between the air and the insulation that causes some shear. It'll be tough to get any real data to back that up, though.
I'd love to see that report if you can find it. I appreciate your above post.Soundman2020 wrote:I also know that I have a report somewhere titled "The Acoustic Role Of Glass Wool In Double-Leaf Walls" someplace, but I can't find it right now. I'll dig some more, and see if it turns up...
Indeed. Theory is part of the learning process but it only becomes a productive exercise when it gets backed up (or notDanDan wrote:Yup. There are points worth exploring though IMO.
There is no maximizing. Insulation absorbs sound that travels through the cavity.SGleason wrote:EDIT:
Would any of you like to speak of the specific relationship between RC and insulation? It is my understanding that the benefit of insulation is maximized when it is deployed in conjunction with resilient channel. I am curious about those dynamics.
Stuart already showed a screenshot. But there is a lot more in the Powerpoint Doc. All stuff we know but very nicely presented IMO.I'd love to see that report if you can find it. I appreciate your above post.
Uh, I am confused. On page 1 of this thread I inked a thread from 15 years ago regarding sub 100 Hz TL performance of walls from IR 761. In the table I put in there it shows an 11 to 16 point improvement in STC from the addition of RC. Assuming you read that, what is your question?SGleason wrote:Regarding any insulation performance enhanced effect from RC, I brought that into the discussion because of a minor statement in an NRC-CNRC document that I've had kicking around for quite a while that has always nagged at me. I have highlighted that passage in this link:
Thanks for the clarification. Expanding/adding/re-enforcing my first post on this sub topic, as shown in fig 5 of NRC 44692 there are 2 parallel paths for sound through such partitions. Each type of sound isolation address different paths.SGleason wrote:It's just that one line in that NRC-CNRC report that has always nagged at me....."Adding resilient channels to one face of a single row of studs improves sound reduction considerably, allowing the sound absorbing material in the cavity to be effective." That seems to imply that the insulation will not be as effective without the RC.
So the specific question is.........is the optimal performance on the insulation in the cavity in any way dependent upon the presence of resilient channel?