CR Treatment and Tuning---The home stretch!!

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Re: CR Treatment and Tuning---The home stretch!!

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Furniture is insanely expensive!!! That desk is $4000 US at Sweetwater! I could never
Yup... I did mention it was a bit more than a speeding fine! (Unless you are doing 500 MPH in a school zone, maybe.... )

I just remembered that I did a "reduced size" version of that concept for a customer in New York a couple of years back, so I inserted that in your model as well, to give you an idea of what I have in mind.

Here's a direct comparison of the full-size original desk, as per the manufacturers specs, and my reduced size version:
Frank--S364--Sterling-desk-concept-FULL-04.jpg
Frank--S364--Sterling-desk-concept-MINE-04.jpg
The full size version has 24 rack spaces (12 per side), mine has 14 (7 per side), but it would be possible to put more in the legs, if necessary. However, 14 RU is probably more than you'd need, unless you really want to go overboard with gear...

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I don't mean to include the desk in my previous question for a time frame of course! I see that as a 2 week project all by itself on my end.
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I don't mean to include the desk in my previous question for a time frame of course! I see that as a 2 week project all by itself on my end.
Right! At least! But the desk size/position does have an influence on the modifications to the soffits... :)

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Of course, but the soffits will have to be finished before a desk goes in... :)

You can use the dimensions of your modded desk for the soffit. I would only do small tweaks if anything. I definitely want to as close to window as is allowable for the sake of space..
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use the dimensions of your modded desk for the soffit. 
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Final (hopefully) entire real wall. Ceiling soffits added above 8' slotted polys, hump reduced to 7 1/4" inches, my small mastering desk, electric outlets on rear wall (my recommended location next to couch, and also the location you mentioned, in the middle of the wall aprox.):
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-01.jpg
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-02.jpg

Details of soffit box and spacers:
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-03.jpg



Spacer shape, high res, with dimensions:
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve.jpg
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-B.jpg
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-C.jpg
(Click on each of the above three for the full high-res image)


It's far easier to do the slat spacing in millimeters, as it works out to whole numbers. In Imperial, you'd have to be figuring things in 1/64 and 1/128 to make it work! I'm sure you have a metric tape measure?

SLATS: All slats are 4 1/2" wide, 3/4" thick, and routed to put a 1/2" round edge on both sides.

SPACERS: Make seven spacers for each side, and set them 16" OC, starting with the first one flat on the floor. The soffit sits directly on top of the top spacer, and runs 15" up to the ceiling. The spacers must be sealed to the rear of the stud bays! Not shown in the above diagram. These are tuned devices, so they do need to be sealed. Probably the easiest is to add extra framing members at the right locations, between the studs, so you get a flat front surface, (pull the insulation first...), and caulk it all up nice and tight, to the studs and the sheathing. (Then put the insulation back into the bays....)

INSULATION: You will need 1" of medium density fiberglass insulation directly behind the slats, just like you did with the "monster" devices in the rear corner. Held in place with chicken wire, beads of glue, or whatever you feel like. It needs to be more dense this time: OC-703 would be good, or even OC-705 if you can get it. But 1" thickness is what we need here. No thicker than that. Pink fluffy is too light.

SOFFIT:
Wood dimensions not critical, but I did make them the same size as the slats on the rear wall (updated!!!! please note!), to match visually. No need to seal the soffit: it's just pure porous absorption bass trapping. Fill the soffit completely with insulation: whatever you have on hand. Not critical what you put in there: it can be a mix of any scrap insulation pieces you happen to have, or pink fluffy, or mineral wool, or fiberglass... anything is fine. But do put 1 mil plastic across the front before you put the fabric on.

REW TESTS: Do regular REW tests as you are putting up the slats, if you can. There's 15 slats on each side, so maybe do them in groups of 3 then a REW test, so we have lots of data to see how things are going. Or groups of 5 if you get bored doing so many tests....

That should keep you busy for a few hours! :)


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Yeah shouldn't take more than a few hours to get this done, I'll have a test back to you this evening... :lol:

Or more realistically sometime next week... well played..
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How critical is the curve accuracy? I have enough information for the high point but there is no contour dimension info.

Might be easiest to get me the .skp..Not sure how I'm going to lay out that curve yet. Hmmm.....


I might be able to get a print shop to print it onto something I can then trace to boards.

Also, be aware that the 1" duct liner will be out of the equation with this new scheme as I will be chucking the existing wall panels housing it. Too bad I can't use it over the 703...shame to throw it away :( . Occupational hazard in this case. perhaps I'll throw it into the soffit.
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I realized that the dimensioned view probably wasn't too clear, so I did another one:
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-D.jpg

I also decided to divide the device into three sections, in the middle of the 6th and 12th slat (which should line up next to your studs), and I think it might be easier to just make the spacers deeper, to go all the way to the back of the insulation bays, like this (except for the top and bottom spacers, and also note that the top spacer is doubled):

Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-E.jpg


Slot the spacers to fit around the studs.
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffi1t-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-I.jpg

Then the 1" thick insulation would fit in the front of the bays, up against the rear faces of the slats:
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-F.jpg
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-H.jpg
Frank--S367--Rear-slotted-polys-withsoffit-and-outlets-04--Spacer-curve-G.jpg

Hope that clarifies things!


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(That looks like the same screenshot)Unfortunately, I have no bearing on the curve itself..Its free hand for me at this point. I have no way to lay that out with any accuracy cause I'm not a CNC :) and even a CNC would need a data file to draw it. OK, I'll slot the studs. Did I make you mad??? ouch! :shock: I do see that some of the slats won't have very adequate backing if the ribs aren't deeper.

Also, I need to know where those dividers go. I need dimensions. My studs do not line up with the model. (Actually I can just look at the model on that one and reference the studs)


And, does the insulation need to be up against the slats? Not sure how I'm going to do that.....and have it stay in shape. Not too concerned about this yet cause there is other stuff to deal with.
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Check your e-mail: I sent you some SKP files, with all you need, and some instructions.... You can get all the dimensions from the SKP.

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Thanks man!! :yahoo:
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Looks like I just need to convert the curve to a pdf file then the print shop can print it out for me....We'll see how I do..

Congratulations! It looks like I'm out of your hair for awhile!! :shot: :mrgreen:
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Looks like I'm going to have to install the floor first as a result of the curve. I wouldn't be able to do the snap together tongue and groove otherwise....Just letting you know. That should ad a day.
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In the interest of saving on material, I just wanted to check that I couldn't use the 1" duct liner instead of 703. Hate to waste it ...Can you think of anywhere else to use it if not?
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